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re: Question for the OT Lawyers - School Later in Life
Posted on 8/31/17 at 3:10 pm to Verbal Kent
Posted on 8/31/17 at 3:10 pm to Verbal Kent
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But not all lawyers that make a good living advertise on TV
I'm aware of that.
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I have a friend who makes $500.00 an hour doing essentially high end title work.
Let me ask you this - his billables are $500 an hour (which is a million/year for those of you in Rio Linda), or is his gross salary $500?
And that's boutique, even in New Orleans and Baton Rouge - there aren't dozens of guys in a market doing that. Most guys in practice are doing family law, criminal law or civil litigation - that's fully 80% of Louisiana lawyers, if not more.
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Another who specializes in high end commercial litigation in a small firm.
Same thing - there just aren't large numbers of jobs for folks like this.
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I did get lucky, but started with literally nothing, wife pregnant, grinding. 10 years later was an overnight success.
I actually went through law school with 3 children (yeah, I know I am idiot, want to fight about it?
), and it took me 20 years, but I hear you. 
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Posted on 8/31/17 at 3:55 pm to Verbal Kent
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One thing that I recommend to everyone before going to law school-take an accounting class. It is a business like any other and most lawyers are terrible businessmen.
The business of practicing law is at the top of the long list of topics that "they didn't teach you in law school."
Some of the most valuable things that I've learned in my young career relate to the business side of the practice. I can't believe how clueless I was coming out of school - and there is still so much more to learn.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 4:30 pm to Ace Midnight
nor do they think they have to listen to Erwin bitching non-stop about hours while he pays you $35K.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:02 pm to Mung
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nor do they think they have to listen to Erwin bitching non-stop about hours while he pays you $35K.
Do I know you sir?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:07 pm to Vegas Eddie
You can always become a landman if things don't work out
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:09 pm to Vegas Eddie
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Is it starting salaries are down bad? Or you'll be working at Starbucks bad??
Both
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:11 pm to Ace Midnight
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But, for every one of them, are 10 slugging it out in DA offices, PD bureaus, perhaps balancing a civil practice on the side to eek out $100k, $125k maybe, and even more in defense firms or small shops not doing that well, at least for 8 to 10 years out of school.
This has always been true. You'd swear by reading these threads that before 2008 everything was models and bottles.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:12 pm to Vegas Eddie
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Did any of our fine attorneys here begin law school in their 30’s? Or know anyone that did?
Just looking for overall experiences. Looking back was it worth it? Would you do it again?
Asking for a friend.
Yep. Started when I was 31. Was it worth it? Tough to say. I like my job and could have not gotten there if I hadn't practiced law for 10 years. I am in the finance industry now.
Before law school, I was a pharmacist for about 5 years. My regret is not following my sister's path in pharmacy. She went the industry route and is absolutely killing it.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:13 pm to mt1
Posted by mt1 on 8/31/17 at 1:30 pm to lsuwins3
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My Mom went back to law school at 47. Had Masters in Education got tired of busting her butt for the same money as all the other teachers. Practiced 16-17 years before retiring. Best move she ever made.
"Does your mother's first name start with a D? Had someone in my small section that fits the description."
No, she graduated from Arizona State. But was in classes with a guy who had been a friend of my brothers from Lake Chuck. Small world
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My Mom went back to law school at 47. Had Masters in Education got tired of busting her butt for the same money as all the other teachers. Practiced 16-17 years before retiring. Best move she ever made.
"Does your mother's first name start with a D? Had someone in my small section that fits the description."
No, she graduated from Arizona State. But was in classes with a guy who had been a friend of my brothers from Lake Chuck. Small world
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:14 pm to Mung
John Macejunas, of Blackhawk Down fame, went to law school after he left the Army. He was a federal prosecutor for a while. Now he's in private practice somewhere in the Northwest. How would you like to see that guy on the other side of the room?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:22 pm to MSTiger33
The old people I went to law school with fell into three categories:
1) Retired and bored. These were the happiest people in law school. Finances in order. I had two engineers and a dentist in my class who got bored in retirement and did great.
2) Delayed. These are the military types, some young family types or people who had a family issue/emergency (meaning they worked their asses off to support a family and finally found an opening), burnout from another career, etc.
3) Just plain crazy. A lot of the ones who do not finish are in this group.
The bored retired people did great (this was their hobby), a lot of the delayed people did better each year - shame of law school is that the first year matters so much. Once a lot of the delayed people got back into school mode, they kicked arse the last two years.
A few of the crazy people will do well and scare the hell out of you.
1) Retired and bored. These were the happiest people in law school. Finances in order. I had two engineers and a dentist in my class who got bored in retirement and did great.
2) Delayed. These are the military types, some young family types or people who had a family issue/emergency (meaning they worked their asses off to support a family and finally found an opening), burnout from another career, etc.
3) Just plain crazy. A lot of the ones who do not finish are in this group.
The bored retired people did great (this was their hobby), a lot of the delayed people did better each year - shame of law school is that the first year matters so much. Once a lot of the delayed people got back into school mode, they kicked arse the last two years.
A few of the crazy people will do well and scare the hell out of you.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:30 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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he old people I went to law school with fell into three categories:
The only truly "older" I remember was a gal in her 40s - she had been a food scientist for Frito Lay. She wanted to leverage that into a food patent and regulation practice.
Heck I was "old" I had 2 in my small section that were still 21 when we started class and I was already 26 as a 1L. I had 3 kids and felt like a grandpa.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:49 pm to Ace Midnight
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Do I know you sir?
yeah, and i started at $31K
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:53 pm to Mung
seems like lots of people know mung irl
Posted on 8/31/17 at 7:13 pm to piratedude
Take tax related subject matter if you do it. Most of the slapdicks in law scrool freak when they see some sort of rudimentary math is involved.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 8:18 pm to Mung
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yeah, and i started at $31K
I started at $30,500.
I was there when Erwin left - did we overlap at all?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 8:37 pm to NIH
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This has always been true. You'd swear by reading these threads that before 2008 everything was models and bottles.
it was dude, it was
Unless you went to a TTT of course
RIP glory days
Posted on 8/31/17 at 8:41 pm to lsuwins3
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My Mom went back to law school at 47. Had Masters in Education got tired of busting her butt for the same money as all the other teachers. Practiced 16-17 years before retiring. Best move she ever made.
How much debt did she take on at damn near 50 years old?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 8:44 pm to Koach K
Only reason why I got a tax LLM was to separate myself. I finished in the top third and even that wasn't enough. Then I had to start my own firm out of the LLM program. Doing fine now, but holy shite the legal market is bad
Posted on 8/31/17 at 9:04 pm to Vegas Eddie
I did. Graduated last December.
Disadvantages:
1. No clerkships.
2. Didn't graduate from big name law school.
Advantages:
1. Experience in something besides just being a student, ie former cop now criminal defense.
2. No law school debt.
3. My law license is the same as the big name school attorneys.
Disadvantages:
1. No clerkships.
2. Didn't graduate from big name law school.
Advantages:
1. Experience in something besides just being a student, ie former cop now criminal defense.
2. No law school debt.
3. My law license is the same as the big name school attorneys.
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