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Question for OT Medical Experts regarding brain tumors

Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:37 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:37 pm
What are the risks with surgery to remove a golf ball sized grade 2 tumor from the right parietal lobe? Also, what's the long term outlook past surgery if it turns out to not be cancer? What if it is cancer?

Posted by Bucktail1
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:39 pm to
My vote is to remove it...seems like better odds than not removing it.

ETA: how do you know it's a grade II but don't know if it's malignant? Was a biopsy done?
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:40 pm to
12-1

Take that to the bank.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:41 pm to
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12-1

Take that to the bank.


I don't know what this means.
Posted by m2pro
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:41 pm to
OT medical non-expert chiming in:

Hey, if I lose the ability to remember nouns, gain random left arm movements, and smell sounds suddenly at least I ain't dying.

Cut it out.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:49 pm to
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ETA: how do you know it's a grade II but don't know if it's malignant? Was a biopsy done?



That's how I heard it described. I have not idea about these sort of things to be honest. Biopsy will be done after surgery from what I understand.
Posted by CharlesLSU
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:51 pm to
Prayers sent regardless.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:55 pm to
Thanks. Just to clarify, I'm not the one with this issue. It's one of my closest friends. He's in surgery right now in fact.
Posted by Rockbrc
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:56 pm to
When in doubt cut it out.
Posted by Parallax
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:58 pm to
Not enough information to answer.
- expert googler
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:02 pm to
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Not enough information to answer.
- expert googler


Sorry that's about all I know. Only other detail I know about is they initially thought in the first day or so after it was discovered it was not attached to the brain. But after further tests or whatever they determined it was attached to the right parietal lobe which makes the surgery more serious than they initially thought it would be due to a higher risk of complications.
Posted by Bucktail1
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:04 pm to
Surgery is the best option for something that large I would think.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:05 pm to
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Surgery is the best option for something that large I would think.



I agree. I was just wondering if anyone here had any experience along these lines and could give some insight on what to expect after the surgery is done.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:10 pm to
How did they grade the tumor if they haven't biopsied it? That doesn't make sense. Tumor grade is determined by a pathologist and that requires a tissue sample.

If there hasn't been a biopsy, then all they have are medical images (CT, MR). I don't think you can determine grade that way.

edit: I'm not a doctor, but I do have a direct role in treating brain tumors using radiation.
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 2:24 pm
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:13 pm to
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Sorry that's about all I know. Only other detail I know about is they initially thought in the first day or so after it was discovered it was not attached to the brain. But after further tests or whatever they determined it was attached to the right parietal lobe which makes the surgery more serious than they initially thought it would be due to a higher risk of complications.
This doesn't really make sense either. I don't understand how the tumor could be anywhere near the parietal lobe, but also be in a place that they didn't immediately know it was in the parietal lobe. The parietal lobe is surrounded by brain and bone. There's no way a tumor could be there but not be in the parietal lobe...

Something isn't adding up. Maybe it's like a game of telephone?
Posted by saderade
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:13 pm to
Obviously tons of risk depending on size, exact location, how vascular it is.
If he comes out with full function and it isn't malignant, he has a very good outlook (it is probably not benign).
The grade and type of tumor will determine the long term prognosis. Further radiation and/or Chemo also depends on what it is and how much of the tumor is removed.
Posted by CorkSoaker
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:16 pm to
If I were you I would spend my time researching who the best damn dr would be to perform my surgery rather than what it could be or not be.
Prayers sent
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:31 pm to
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What are the risks with surgery to remove a golf ball sized grade 2 tumor from the right parietal lobe? Also, what's the long term outlook past surgery if it turns out to not be cancer? What if it is cancer?

You also need to consider the risk of doing nothing. Even a benign, non-cancerous tumor can cause significant problems, including death. If it's really the size of a golf ball, then it's pretty damn big for a brain tumor. That's 4.3 cm across, or 1.7 inches. That's massive. We're talking 40 cc.
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:38 pm to
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This doesn't really make sense either. I don't understand how the tumor could be anywhere near the parietal lobe, but also be in a place that they didn't immediately know it was in the parietal lobe. The parietal lobe is surrounded by brain and bone. There's no way a tumor could be there but not be in the parietal lobe...

Something isn't adding up. Maybe it's like a game of telephone?



I wish i could answer your questions but like i said earlier, I have no idea about any of this.

I did just get the call telling me they're done with surgery and from what I'm told all went well. They said the tumor was actually closer to the size of a baseball once they got it out. That's really all the details I have right now.


ETA: This latest update is second hand info so I can't vouch for how accurate it is.
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:42 pm to
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I wish i could answer your questions but like i said earlier, I have no idea about any of this.

I did just get the call telling me they're done with surgery and from what I'm told all went well. They said the tumor was actually closer to the size of a baseball once they got it out. That's really all the details I have right now.
Damn that's very large. I wish the best of luck to the patient.

It sounds like if the patient was in surgery, they probably took a biopsy at the beginning of the surgery and got the pathology report, which is how they found out it was grade 2. That makes sense. Determining grade during surgery is important because if it's higher grade, they'll usually try to be more aggressive in taking out more tissue to ensure they get everything. Since it was grade 2, the tumor was slower growing and the cells were closer to being normal. There's a good chance it's benign.

If they were able to get everything, then the prognosis could be good. It depends on the pathology, age of the patient, what kinds of problems he/she was experiencing (if there was already tissue damage to healthy structures then that would make the prognosis worse), and the specific outcome of the surgery (if they damaged any structures during the surgery, then naturally the prognosis could be worse).

Grade 2 is good news. I'll say that.

edit: but I want to put a caveat in here that I'm not involved in surgery, so take this with a grain of salt. Maybe someone involved in CNS surgery can chime in
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 2:44 pm
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