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re: Question about Jim Crow laws from a Yankee.
Posted on 7/11/26 at 3:32 pm to Anonforthis
Posted on 7/11/26 at 3:32 pm to Anonforthis
quote:A bit difficult with an occupying army dictating all aspects of your governance and living for 12 of those years.
If white southerners hated free blacks one would expect Jim Crow laws to be enacted immediately after the civil war instead of 20 years later when William Jennings Bryan was gaining power.
quote:I view that as an oversimplified claim. The better way to see this is that a whole region had been devastated by total war and then militarily occupied while the carpetbagger governance created an environment akin to Germany after WW1 - with a similar effect upon some of the populace. As the occupation was withdrawn a plurality of interests enacted some laws which we view in hindsight as unfortunate. The simple fact is that most political movements are driven by people with money and influence - which at that time was centered around the surviving white Democrats who managed to hold onto resources after the war. And they were looking after their own interests. But this did not preclude the poorer populace from being in support of many or all of those initiatives. After all, the measures passed - in spite of the fact that the rich white democrats held very few votes on their own.
I read an article that claimed that Jim Crow laws were introduced at the tail end of the 1800’s because poor whites and the newly freed slaves were becoming too friendly and forming a populist political block that frightened the economic elite. Is this true?
Not justifying those laws, but you are asking what happened and the simple answer is just not accurate.
One major lesson is to work to resolve all of the causes of a conflict before moving on so that the conflicts do not recur. For example, the crushing terms of the armistice against Germany ending WW1 led to the aggressiveness of WW2 Germany. The rebuilding of post WW2 Germany led to a more stable Europe, as happened with Japan.
Hard war and soft peace is an inspired US military doctrine.
Posted on 7/11/26 at 3:34 pm to Anonforthis
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I read an article that claimed that Jim Crow laws were introduced at the tail end of the 1800’s because poor whites and the newly freed slaves were becoming too friendly and forming a populist political block that frightened the economic elite. Is this true?
If white southerners hated free blacks one would expect Jim Crow laws to be enacted immediately after the civil war instead of 20 years later when William Jennings Bryan was gaining power.
What are the opinions of southerners on this topic?
Jim Crow laws started in the extremely segregationist North, more so in New England long before the war.
When Southerners traveled in the North, in some places, they had to sit with their slaves in Jim Crow cars.
Southerners initially rejected Jim Crow laws as they saw it as another Yankee way of life to be forced upon them.
Posted on 7/11/26 at 4:25 pm to Anonforthis
No. That's Marxist claptrap.
It was to suppress political and economic power of the freed blacks. Nothing more.
It was to suppress political and economic power of the freed blacks. Nothing more.
Posted on 7/11/26 at 4:44 pm to el Gaucho
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Did y’all know there used to be a white Wall Street?
Amazing how some don’t get you
Posted on 7/11/26 at 4:47 pm to chryso
quote:Or statutes, for that matter….
Do you think poor people are putting up statues?
Posted on 7/11/26 at 4:57 pm to Anonforthis
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If white southerners hated free blacks one would expect Jim Crow laws to be enacted immediately after the civil war instead of 20 years later when William Jennings Bryan was gaining power.
The Southern States were occupied by the Union Army until 1877. Puppet Governments were installed. Many Northerners in Congress and elsewhere wanted the South punished. Carpetbaggers came to South to try to make money off of the South's misery, and maybe prolong it. Blacks were often used by people like that.
It wasn't a good time, and when it was over and white Southerners were back in power, what would you have expected to happen?
Posted on 7/11/26 at 5:23 pm to Anonforthis
I wasn't around at the time.
Posted on 7/11/26 at 5:27 pm to Anonforthis
A lot of the Jim Crow laws weren’t passed until the 1890s. (And usually more like the post-1895 period than the early 1890s.) There was a roughly 20 year period between the end of Reconstruction and the start of Jim Crow.
I’ve never heard that Populism had much to do with starting Jim Crow, though.
Anyway, why do we have to constantly hear about this in 2026?
I’ve never heard that Populism had much to do with starting Jim Crow, though.
Anyway, why do we have to constantly hear about this in 2026?
This post was edited on 7/11/26 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 7/11/26 at 5:57 pm to Anonforthis
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because poor whites and the newly freed slaves were becoming too friendly and forming a populist political block that frightened the economic elite
Sounds like communist propoganda tbh.
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Is this true?
Personally, nobody alive knows. Very possibly it was, though, as far as yankee carpet bagger elites not wanting southerners to unite...again?
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one would expect Jim Crow laws to be enacted immediately after the civil war instead of 20 years later
Not while carpet bagging yankees were enacting Yankee laws and policies for us.
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