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Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:15 pm to volod
I'm loyal to my family and myself. If a new opportunity comes up that can better my family's life, it is my duty to take it.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:19 pm to volod
I'm loyal as long as I'm getting paid what I'm worth or as much as the next place will pay me
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:20 pm to volod
I stopped being loyal the day my boss lied to my face.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:21 pm to volod
Since you were asking specifically about this quote...
She is 100% correct. Pensions don't exist at many places any longer, moving up the ladder based on your time and work put in with the company is not a foregone conclusion, etc. And yes, most employees are employed "at-will". Case in point, my employer (with whom my last day is Friday, coincidentally) is a multi-billion dollar company who just terminated an entire 30-person department right after New Year's. Not a bunch of people who just started in the last year or so, no. In fact, most of those let go were 15+ year employees. The VP who was in charge of that division had been with the company for 25+ years - from the very beginning. Guy made a good, six-figure income and had been loyal to a fault. However, sales were down over the last year and they decided a head or two needed to roll. The "loyal" guy wasn't spared. Heck....he wasn't even given a heads-up.
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However, I think it's more important to remember none of the companies she worked for guaranteed loyalty to her - and they don't guarantee us loyalty either. Unless you are part of a union, you are an "at-will" employee, which means either side can terminate the relationship at any time. If a company has to lay you off to keep the business in business, they will. If they have to hire you on a part-time or contract basis to keep their costs down, they will.
She is 100% correct. Pensions don't exist at many places any longer, moving up the ladder based on your time and work put in with the company is not a foregone conclusion, etc. And yes, most employees are employed "at-will". Case in point, my employer (with whom my last day is Friday, coincidentally) is a multi-billion dollar company who just terminated an entire 30-person department right after New Year's. Not a bunch of people who just started in the last year or so, no. In fact, most of those let go were 15+ year employees. The VP who was in charge of that division had been with the company for 25+ years - from the very beginning. Guy made a good, six-figure income and had been loyal to a fault. However, sales were down over the last year and they decided a head or two needed to roll. The "loyal" guy wasn't spared. Heck....he wasn't even given a heads-up.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:23 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Loyalty is definitely a 2 way street. If the company just sees its employees as a means to an end, and feels any of them can be replaced, why should the employee be loyal to them?
I worked for a company like that. Loyalty goes as long as they actually value you. Once you have no value to them, that's it. Loyalty doesn't exist after that.
Exactly as you state it.
I went to work as an assistant branch manager in January 1992. In March the 1st time I ever called in sick (Monday) the branch manager told me no way was I to miss the next day. The Regional Manager and VP of Personnel were both on their way to the office. I showed up early Tuesday, the 2 office gals came in, immediately brought me up-to-date how the 2 bigwigs were all over them and the office itself with a fine toothed comb and be ready for anything.
About 8:15 the 2 guys arrived, took each of the gals to the back separately and the girls left quietly. They then came to me, gave me the keys to the office, said they had reviewed my work, fired the branch manager, I had their full support and if I needed anything just ask. They told me hire who I wanted and they expected me to do well. Also to find a suitable site to relocate the office to much better circumstances.
In 3 months time my office was outperforming the rest of the region combined, so they realigned to put my office in a more compatible region. The next quarter I had exceeded the other 59 branch offices combined and they had realigned regions 2 more times to situate my office under leadership that could handle my growth better.
Then the Regional Manager had a med emergency, a small one, came back for a couple weeks, had a major med emergency and retired. They replaced him with a guy I knew from a previous employer. I knew my days were numbered then. The replacement had actually canned his former assistant manager (and personal friend) over the mess left by the replacement regional manager when he moved up. The 1st time he showed his arse on a conference call from Home Office speaker phone was the last time I spoke to him. I left my keys on the front desk and walked.
I went a few blocks over, started 2 weeks later (nice vacay) with a raise in both base + commission and immediately was in the top 3 performance corporate wide every month till I left that place.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:31 pm to volod
The only thing about my career that I'm loyal to are my efforts to make myself financially independent.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:39 pm to volod
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Question about Employee to Employer Loyalty? When did you stop being loyal?
I was pretty loyal to my 1st big boy job. Boss was a great guy and treated employees well. Worked there about 7 years and left for what I thought was a better opportunity. Gave a 30 day notice and left on great terms. Other job didn't work out as I had hoped, and previous boss welcomed me back when I contacted him about it.
Flash forward a year or 2 later, boss sold the company and new owners were complete opposite. Took a fairly significant pay cut when new owners took over and they didn't exactly show much appreciation to their employees. When I got confirmation everything was good to go with a new job, called the owner and told him I was quitting and was leaving. Tried to give me a line of BS about "we normally request a 2 week notice from employees leaving" so I reminded him that he didn't give me a 2 week notice that my paychecks were going to be 20% lighter when he bought the company. Needless to say, I was asked to leave the premises. Never looked back
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:43 pm to volod
I am loyal to my company and I get along with everyone there....but if the raises and promotions stop, my opinions may change.
I'm worried that we are expanding faster than our market share can support.
I'm worried that we are expanding faster than our market share can support.
This post was edited on 4/5/17 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:45 pm to volod
I think the article is pretty accurate.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:45 pm to notiger1997
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I'm pretty loyal when I'm working for a company I like?
its easier at a smaller company where you arent 1 in 50k
Posted on 4/5/17 at 5:40 pm to volod
Company has been really good to me since I've been here in spite of an uncertain market. It seems that's become more of an exception than anything
Posted on 4/5/17 at 5:46 pm to volod
My dad, who worked for his company for 30 years, always said "Remember, they don't love you. You are always expendable."
With that being said, I tend to be loyal, unless some better opportunity arises. Wait, then I guess I am not loyal, at all.
With that being said, I tend to be loyal, unless some better opportunity arises. Wait, then I guess I am not loyal, at all.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 5:53 pm to volod
There is a lot of research that shows - in almost every case - employees do not quit "organizations." They quit "supervisors."
I've worked a lot of places, civilian and military. I believe that research is accurate.
I've worked a lot of places, civilian and military. I believe that research is accurate.
This post was edited on 4/5/17 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 4/5/17 at 5:56 pm to Tiger Prawn
I liked ole fezziwig. He was kind.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 6:46 pm to BoostAddict
I will admit that I was confused about the hiring structure and my position upon being hired. I was going to eventually make a thread about it. My role is actually engineering intern 2. I applied to multiple positions and I thought I got the E7 role, but I did not realize how much experience was preferred for that position.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 6:54 pm to volod
I'm loyal to my career. That involves maximizing opportunities and building both a strong resume and income to match. If someone gives me an opportunity to greatly improve either I'd take it. Itherwuse, all things equal, im generally happy where I am.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 6:56 pm to volod
Most companies are struggling to make ends meet in this economy. Labor costs are such a way to keep costs down. This is now not as hard, since so many companies are doing it. There is no places for employees to go to get the "big bucks". In years past, companies had to offer pensions, excellent health care benefits, vacation days off, and decent wages to keep the talent.
Nowadays, they don't have to, nor do they. Pensions are all but gone in the private sector, vacation allowances are down, and wages are overall down.
Nowadays, they don't have to, nor do they. Pensions are all but gone in the private sector, vacation allowances are down, and wages are overall down.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 6:58 pm to East Coast Band
I'm being paid to do a job. If they want to pay me extra to lock me up for x years, then they can but otherwise I'm doing what's best for my long term career.
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