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re: Protesters demand action after Portland State University police shoot, kill Navy veteran

Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:16 pm to
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:16 pm to
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You would never be able to do anything to the satisfaction of the citizens.
the police shot and killed a gun carrying veteran. You think the citizens don't appreciate that?
Posted by NotGrammarKnotsi
Member since Jan 2018
314 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:17 pm to
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the police shot and killed a gun carrying veteran


sadly enough, there are people out there who will think this way and use it for an agenda
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:18 pm to
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"He was a veteran who fought for our country," said Mohammed Tuffa, who says he was involved in the fight. He said police didn't need to use deadly force. "Pepper spray could have broken everybody out. Everybody would have been on the ground crying."


There's a lot of stuff in that paragraph right there.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139226 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:19 pm to
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If we had to put blame on someone, I guess I would put it on Washington. The gun doesn't seem to be all that secure. Well, it is secure if he isn't going to be rolling around breaking up fights, but when police come to a scene, sees a gun fly out and someone goes to grab it. What are they suppose to think? "Let me wait to see if he shoots people first".

Eh, if my gun went flying out during a scuffle, my first reaction would probably be to secure it as well. He may not have known that the cops were there. Like I said, it was just really bad circumstances all coming together at once.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:21 pm to
Yeah guy sounds like a moron. Plus Facebook says he graduated high school in 1992 and worked for USPS since 1997. Probably wasn’t a combat vet so not sure why it says Navy vet.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38575 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:21 pm to
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Eh, if my gun went flying out during a scuffle, my first reaction would probably be to secure it as well.

Yeah, that's pretty instinctive if you're used to carrying a firearm.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:22 pm to
And a cop seeing someone reaching for a gun in the ground during a scuffle is likely going to shoot.

Just dumb to get involved in the fight with a poorly secured gun.
Posted by NotGrammarKnotsi
Member since Jan 2018
314 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:23 pm to
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There's a lot of stuff in that paragraph right there.



to an extent...He could have only handled a pistol in boot camp ten years earlier..He also doesn't conceal that weapon and having it in a holster on his cargo shorts looks terrible...

EDIT: looks like some info was updated while I was typing, but my statement still makes sense
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139226 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:24 pm to
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And a cop seeing someone reaching for a gun in the ground during a scuffle is likely going to shoot.

Just dumb to get involved in the fight with a poorly secured gun.

I know. It was simply a bad situation where 2 natural reactions of self interest/preservation collided.
Posted by Merck
Tuscaloosa
Member since Nov 2009
1693 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:34 pm to
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Also, why does it matter that he was in Navy?


Because if they hadn't included that then some people's first reaction would be "well he was probably a dindu."
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20557 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:42 pm to
Sad situation. Why is he intervening in a fight while he has a gun strapped to his side anyway? A whole lot of things can go wrong in that scenario.
Posted by NotGrammarKnotsi
Member since Jan 2018
314 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:44 pm to
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Why is he intervening in a fight while he has a gun strapped to his side anyway?


based on his clothing, he has been itching for a situation like this...it obviously didn't turn out like he expected
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:44 pm to
Well, that stinks for everyone involved.

Dude was legit trying to do the right thing and keep his friend in the blue shirt from fighting, just a horrible set of circumstances played out, but based on the video, I can't really see placing blame on the officers.

If nothing else, you shouldn't be carrying a gun in public while you are drinking and/or while you're hanging out with people drinking IMO.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:45 pm to
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Why is he intervening in a fight while he has a gun strapped to his side anyway?
He's jsut trying to keep his friend from fighting, a noble idea in the moment. He was also drinking, no clue how much, but that could also play a role in his decision making.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:46 pm to
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based on his clothing, he has been itching for a situation like this
What about his clothes suggest he was itching to try and break up a fight?
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:46 pm to
Drinking and carrying is retarded if not illegal.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:48 pm to
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Drinking and carrying is retarded if not illegal.
Yep.

I just hate the idea of open carrying. I honestly think it's just done to show off or act macho or some shite, I don't know. It just doesn't really make sense to me.


I can't possibly think any pros of open carrying outweighing the cons.
Posted by NotGrammarKnotsi
Member since Jan 2018
314 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:50 pm to
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What about his clothes suggest he was itching to try and break up a fight?


SMedium shirt that has a flag on the sleeve, cargo shorts with a holstered weapon...This screams guy who has been out for 20 years and needs something to go down so he can post it on facebook
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85534 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:50 pm to
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He was a veteran who fought for our country," said Mohammed Tuffa, who says he was involved in the fight. He said police didn't need to use deadly force. "Pepper spray could have broken everybody out. Everybody would have been on the ground crying."

He died Bc of you, Mohammed.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

SMedium shirt that has a flag on the sleeve, cargo shorts with a holstered weapon...This screams guy who has been out for 20 years and needs something to go down so he can post it on facebook


Ah, you didn't watch the video.

Makes sense now.
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