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re: Prosecutors say Marcellus Williams is innocent. He’s scheduled to be executed tonight.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:18 am to moneyg
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:18 am to moneyg
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What about confessions? What about situations with clear evidence (DNA)?
Neither of those move the needle for me. Especially not "confessions".
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:39 am to Snipe
A person can be forgiven of a sin. But not the consequences.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:43 am to Eurocat
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He spent nearly nine years in a Maryland prison after being convicted in 1985 of the murder of Dawn Hamilton
Yeah i'm not talking about what we did 40 years ago.
It's not 40 years ago anymore, and we have too much technology in todays world. I said i wasn't for the death penalty if there is even a slither of doubt. Eye witness reports as evidence with zero physical evidence is 100% a slither of a doubt. Eye witnesses are idiots most of the time. Death penalty should be for the extremely obvious cases where you absolutely know they did it, as in we don't even need to investigate it, or the investigation has so much physical evidence it's overwhelmingly obvious the person did it. Obvious evidence is there's a video of you at the murder scene at the time of the murder. Eye witnesses claiming they saw you at the murder scene isn't obvious evidence.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:03 am to IAmNERD
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Ving Rhames played Marsellus Wallace in the movie, not Williams.
I think you're confused bro
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:20 am to Saintsisit
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:24 am to castorinho
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But the prosecution having second thoughts is weird as frick.
I'm guessing this is a case of someone having a change of heart regarding death penalty. Afraid of cancel culture by the radical progressive left wing elements that we allow to exist for whatever reason.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:30 am to Sam Quint
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Neither of those move the needle for me. Especially not "confessions".
A person who admits to a crime doesn't move the needle for you?
Interesting.
You seem to be hiding behind the possibility of a mistake when in fact you just are letting your feelings get in the way.
DNA evidence, video evidence, or even a confession remove all reasonable doubt. Obviously, the bar for capital punishment should be high.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 9:33 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:31 am to Narax
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To note, I do not believe the death penalty should be used for a gas station shooting in a robbery that went wrong
Why not?
Honest question. The perp knowingly took a loaded gun, walked into an establishment with the intent to use it to rob someone.
For whatever reason, they aimed the gun at an innocent person, pulled the trigger, and ended the life of someone.
I feel the death penalty is totally appropriate for that course of action
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:36 am to riverdiver
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Why not?
Honest question. The perp knowingly took a loaded gun, walked into an establishment with the intent to use it to rob someone.
For whatever reason, they aimed the gun at an innocent person, pulled the trigger, and ended the life of someone.
I feel the death penalty is totally appropriate for that course of action
100%
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:36 am to Saintsisit
quote:Say what again!! I dare ya!
What?
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:38 am to Saintsisit
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What does Marcellus Williams look like?
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What?
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 9:39 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:40 am to Fun Bunch
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When speaking with law enforcement, the jailhouse informant provided information about the crime that was not publicly available, yet consistent with crime scene evidence and Williams’ involvement.
This part at least is silly. The information can be easily fed to the inmate and then regurgitated back to an investigator.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:43 am to moneyg
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You seem to be hiding behind the possibility of a mistake
I'm not hiding behind that possibilty. I'm literally telling you that that possibilty is why I'm against the death penalty.
You're giving me dumb what ifs though. But fine. With video evidence, a confession, DNA evidence and three corroborating witnesses or whatever, fine. But the number of cases like that is negligible, so what's the point.
Also, accusing someone of being emotional in their argument in a stupid attempt to get under their skin is just lazy debating. Do better.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 9:47 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:57 am to idlewatcher
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Watch interviews with family members of the deceased post execution. Especially in Texas. They are typically elated and it's a small repayment for the loss of their loved one.
Of course that isn't every case but I certainly would feel relieved that person is dead.
I come from a family directly affected by murder and a subsequent death penalty. And I can say for my family it was a huge relief once the perp was dead, and there was a good bit of closure that came with that. It definitely helps.
Now there was no doubt that the dude that killed my aunt and 2 cousins (aunt was also pregnant at the time) was guilty, so it's a little different from this story. But for anecdotal evidence, it definitely is a positive for the family of the victims IMO.
For those interested, this was the piece of shite that murdered my family: Allen Lee Davis.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:02 am to Sam Quint
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I'm not hiding behind that possibilty. I'm literally telling you that that possibilty is why I'm against the death penalty.
Even when the accused admits the crime...which is what I asked you.
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You're giving me dumb what ifs though. But fine. With video evidence, a confession, DNA evidence and three corroborating witnesses or whatever, fine. But the number of cases like that is negligible, so what's the point.
So you are changing your opinion?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:10 am to John88
Just remember, innocent does not mean you should be exonerated.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:22 am to CocomoLSU
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Allen Lee Davis
Sorry about your family that's horrible.
Piece of shite had manslaughter, robbery, pedophilia etc on record. Should have never been free.
Glad to hear this piece of shite suffered in electric chair.
Burns to his groin.
Profuse bleeding from nose.
Glad he at least suffered some.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:23 am to moneyg
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Even when the accused admits the crime...which is what I asked you.
look up false confessions in interrogation rooms. i know it sounds crazy, but experienced interrogators can manipulate people into confessing shite that they never did. i know that's hard to believe, but it's absolutely true.
add into that equation the technology available to the government now with which they can generate videos and audio of whatever they want. it's basically the beginning of the Running Man, but even worse now. do i put it past the government to fake a video or audio confession? no. do you?
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So you are changing your opinion?
no, i'm telling you that the standard by which i would be pro-death penalty is impossibly high.
conceptually, i am not anti-death penalty. nor am i anti-death penalty from a moral or ethical standpoint. i am anti-death penalty because in practice it's too imperfect to be trusted in the hands of a jury and inept government officials with an agenda.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:38 am to Sam Quint
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no, i'm telling you that the standard by which i would be pro-death penalty is impossibly high.
conceptually, i am not anti-death penalty. nor am i anti-death penalty from a moral or ethical standpoint. i am anti-death penalty because in practice it's too imperfect to be trusted in the hands of a jury and inept government officials with an agenda.
I think most rational people think the same way.
I don't agree this Williams guy should have been put to death, even though it's 99% he did it. There isn't enough without a doubt evidence to me.
If you recall the idiot that shot and killed some cops in BR at the Benny's on Airline after the alton sterling crap, had they captured that guy instead of rightfully putting a bullet through his head that day, he should have been sentenced to death immediately upon capture.
We all know the obvious incidents that should be death penalty cases.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:43 am to TeddyPadillac
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We all know the obvious incidents that should be death penalty cases.
again, i agree conceptually. but in practice this is not how it will work or will ever work, because "we all know" is meaningless on a macro scale.
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