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re: Prominent Physician: Don't get a COVID shot

Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:28 pm to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:28 pm to
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J&J had to pause production for blood clots.


The OMG CLOTS narrative is absolutely hilarious given the millions of women on birth control at significantly higher risk of clots and no one bats an eye at it.
Posted by S1C EM
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:28 pm to
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and you want to wait a year or two to see what happens


Because every ingredient is known and the profiles well-researched. They didn't just invent a bunch of all-new substances and throw them together in a pot. I understand your thought process, but your logic and basis of understanding is fundamentally flawed. The first shots went in arms the second week of March 2020, btw. You'd think there might be evidence of anything sinister already. But as I already stated, I have no issue with your decision. I completely understand it.
Posted by S1C EM
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:29 pm to
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The OMG CLOTS narrative is absolutely hilarious given the millions of women on birth control at significantly higher risk of clots and no one bats an eye at it.


Or the fact that Covid is largely a vascular disease and does this on a MUCH more significant level.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:31 pm to
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I dont know. Nobody does, which is my concern.

What are the long term side effects of the vaccine?

Does anyone know?


That is a completely fair question and you are correct that there is no proof one way or another about the long-term side effects of the vaccine. The balance to that is obviously the long-term effects of the disease are equally unknown. If you look at the data a year out from both the mRNA vaccines and the disease the disease is showing a higher percentage of people with lasting effects. If you look at the data you will also see that the risk of significant impact or death is lower with the vaccines than the infection no matter the age or health of the individual, at least those 18 or older due to limited data of those under 18.

I submit that in a purely mathematical equation the vaccines are the safer bet for everyone who does not have a contraindication for taking the vaccine.

Outside of the public policy arguments, I think each individual should have the right to take or not take a vaccine and bear the burden of any consequences for the choice. I think a lot of people are not making a medical decision but are basing their choice on other factors which I think is their prerogative. I also think there are a lot of people making their decision based on false information such as the vaccines changing their DNA, which is utter non-sense.

The timing arguments are running out of time at least in the BL approval process. These vaccines have seen the highest level of testing of any drug or biologic along with more public awareness.

Posted by S1C EM
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:31 pm to
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What if everyone who dies that happens to be vaccinated, has their deaths attributed to the vaccine? Because that's how covid deaths are (or at least were) being counted.


Not at all how it works. Sorry.
Posted by blueboxer1119
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:35 pm to
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The OMG CLOTS narrative is absolutely hilarious given the millions of women on birth control at significantly higher risk of clots and no one bats an eye at it.


Does that mean the blood clots didnt happen?

Is that a conspiracy theory?
Posted by TigerIron
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:38 pm to
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Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:44 pm to
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Does that mean the blood clots didnt happen?

Is that a conspiracy theory?



Maybe not due to the vaccine, the percent lines up with that of the population in general.
Posted by blueboxer1119
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:46 pm to
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That is a completely fair question and you are correct that there is no proof one way or another about the long-term side effects of the vaccine. The balance to that is obviously the long-term effects of the disease are equally unknown. If you look at the data a year out from both the mRNA vaccines and the disease the disease is showing a higher percentage of people with lasting effects. If you look at the data you will also see that the risk of significant impact or death is lower with the vaccines than the infection no matter the age or health of the individual, at least those 18 or older due to limited data of those under 18.

I submit that in a purely mathematical equation the vaccines are the safer bet for everyone who does not have a contraindication for taking the vaccine.

Outside of the public policy arguments, I think each individual should have the right to take or not take a vaccine and bear the burden of any consequences for the choice. I think a lot of people are not making a medical decision but are basing their choice on other factors which I think is their prerogative. I also think there are a lot of people making their decision based on false information such as the vaccines changing their DNA, which is utter non-sense.

The timing arguments are running out of time at least in the BL approval process. These vaccines have seen the highest level of testing of any drug or biologic along with more public awareness.



I dont disagree with everything here.

Im not going to pretend to know the long term effects of the virus. I have no idea.

But in fairness, we also dont have the data on the long term effects of the vaccine.

So its essentially pick your poison.

Im young and healthy, so Ill roll the dice with my immune system, rather than a vaccine.

Thats just my personal opinion and decision. Im not shitting on anyone else for getting it, its just not for me for my personal situation.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:51 pm to
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Does that mean the blood clots didnt happen?


This retard is still going?
Posted by blueboxer1119
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:54 pm to
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This retard is still going? ?





Dont you have a few more urinals to clean?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:56 pm to
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Dont you have a few more urinals to clean?


Zing
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:59 pm to
Have you pussies met up at Home Depot yet
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:59 pm to
I just pulled into the parking lot
Posted by blueboxer1119
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 1:03 pm to
No you didnt.
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 1:04 pm to
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WHY DO VACCINES TAKE TIME TO GET FDA APPROVAL?

Because there is no such thing as a government agency that can avoid ridiculous amounts of bureaucratic red tape?

Because there is a somewhat arbitrary process that the FDA uses where lots of boxes have to be checked by non-scientists?

Because most vaccines are not as urgently needed as one pertaining to an ongoing global pandemic and the FDA process is not designed for quick bureaucratic approval?

It has little to do with the science if that is what you are implying. At least not in the case of these COVID vaccines approval.

If there was any concern about widespread serious side effects or major complications you can bet they would not have been authorized for emergency use. Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J would all suffer disastrous financial blows if their products really hurt people in large numbers. Large corporations aren't known for "winging it" or taking high risks. I trust that fact much more than Dr Fauci or whatever poli-hack is running the FDA.

Yes: Media, some politicians, and COVID Karens are ridiculous. So is your fear of the vaccine. That said, no one is telling you that you have to get it.

There is a big difference between you choosing not to get it (perfectly fine) and you publicly attacking people who do make the choice to take it. Or pushing really bad and poorly sourced WND articles as some ham handed and uninformed "gotcha" against people taking a different stance.

Someone can, in fact, question narratives, think for themselves, and still come to the conclusion that a vaccine is safe, even without arbitrary government approval. Even if they weren't in fear for their lives like some Leftwing pearl clutcher.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 1:09 pm to
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Im young and healthy, so Ill roll the dice with my immune system, rather than a vaccine.


That is certainly your prerogative but the raw math doesn't really support that decision but most people don't do risk-benefit analysis like an actuary.

You mentioned the clot issue with the J&J vaccine. The TTS and CTVS cases seem to have a potential causal link to the vaccine. It doesn't seem like apophenia. That being said the numbers are extremely low and significantly lower than the potential dangerous clots caused by the disease in the same demographics.

There is one interesting trend I see with the vaccine. Physicians are getting vaccinated at an incredibly high rate. Not only that they are recommending their family and friends get vaccinated. When individuals with far more subject matter expertise than I have almost universally make the same decision with their own bodies it seems like a reasonable decision to bet the same way.

Arguing against that seems a little like me arguing that my once-a-year stick weld has adequate penetration when a baw with a 6G cert is telling me I don't.

Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 1:10 pm to


Let’s go pussy
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

Arguing against that seems a little like me arguing that my once-a-year stick weld has adequate penetration when a baw with a 6G cert is telling me I don't.


I agree with every other thing in your post but I need some cliff notes on your tagline? What does this mean?
Posted by Ole Geauxt
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 1:19 pm to
blue drawz hidin’ in one of the freezers?
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