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re: Prepare to start having your things checked in at hotels.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:08 am to terd ferguson
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:08 am to terd ferguson
We banned murder. That should have stopped the murders.
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:08 am to 50_Tiger
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How can a dude check into a hotel with enough firepower to do that and no one raises an alarm?
Break down the rifles in half separating them uppers from lowers and you could get 10 rifles in a large suitcase easily. Large duffle bag or 2 with 100 round drums preloaded. Take a cart down to the car, load the cart and go up to the room.
This wasn't a magic trick. Besides the weight which wouldn't be noticeable if he handled his stuff himself, he looked like everyone else taking stuff to their room, especially if he made a couple of trips.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:09 am to Giantkiller
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"Everybody should be allowed to be armed everywhere under any circumstances, and this kind of stuff wouldn't happen..."
Either that or places that ban guns should be held legally responsible for providing adequate and reasonable security.
I know we don't want to see metal detectors at movie theaters or hotels, but it's also unreasonable for them to ban guns from law abiding citizens without providing adequate security in return.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:11 am to Festus
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We banned murder. That should have stopped the murders
Then why have laws at all if it doesn't prevent people from doing things?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:12 am to 50_Tiger
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I simply suggested a reasonable thought that could possibly happen (bag checks at hotels) .
So 1 guy sets up shop in a hotel and now we should check every person going into every hotel across America? OK let's do that. Now you have successfully deterred future gunmen from using hotels... so they go to the top of a parking garage now. Do we set up bag checks in parking garages at this point?
I'm just trying to say that you can give up as much of your personal freedom as you want in exchange for perceived safety... but someone intent on hurting people will just find a different method.
In the end you've given up your rights in exchange for nothing more than a false sense of security.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:13 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Gallup has done many polls that found half of the households in America legally own firearms. By that math, then finding 77% of non gun owners in agreement with you means that only about 38% of Americans agree with you.
In that same study that I cited they had households with a gun at 42%.
I think you're missing the fact that nearly half of gun owners agree with the banning.
Banning assault-style weapons:
48% of gun owners supported and 77% of non-gun owners
It's similar for high-capacity magazines.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:13 am to TexasTiger1185
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Then why have laws at all if it doesn't prevent people from doing things?
Laws don't prevent people from doing things.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:14 am to TexasTiger1185
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We banned murder. That should have stopped the murders
Then why have laws at all if it doesn't prevent people from doing things?
Bc it does prevent people from doing it... LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. It does not prevent criminals from being criminals. Just like checking this guys bags wouldn't have prevented him from killing people if that's what he wanted to do. It would have merely changed the location of where he set up.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:14 am to fouldeliverer
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Banning assault-style weapons:
Can you define this stupid term you keep using? Was it defined to people surveyed?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:14 am to goofball
quote:Unless we institute a policy/law where everyone must go through some type of very involved or rigorous training, this is absolutely not something I'd want.
"Everybody should be allowed to be armed everywhere under any circumstances, and this kind of stuff wouldn't happen..."
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:15 am to shel311
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Unless we institute a policy/law where everyone must go through some type of very involved or rigorous training, this is absolutely not something I'd want.
Why? Most places you go, people can already legally carry and you have no issues.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:16 am to terd ferguson
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So 1 guy sets up shop in a hotel and now we should check every person going into every hotel across America?
Didn't say all. I even mentioned hotels with walls facing large public gathering spaces.
Is this really unreasonable?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:16 am to TexasTiger1185
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Then why have laws at all if it doesn't prevent people from doing things?
In the case of banning weapons? Feel good legislation. It makes the legislators feel good, and it makes the left feel like they're doing something proactive.
In reality? They are simply removing those weapons from the hands of the law abiding citizens, and guaranteeing that only the criminals have access to them.
Unless you eliminate and destroy all those said weapons, then banning them from law abiding citizens only punishes the lawful. That's the hard fact that the left refuses to admit.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:17 am to 50_Tiger
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Is this really unreasonable?
Yes
Thin about how many hotels are just in the French Quarter and downtown NOLA that fit that criteria, and this is a small city relatively.Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:17 am to terd ferguson
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It would have merely changed the location of where he set up.
Right, it more than likely wouldn't of been from a sniping position / staged.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:17 am to 50_Tiger
The shooter could make a dozen trips from his car to room carrying one or two each time. Lots of people coming and going from the casinos with luggage all the time.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:18 am to 50_Tiger
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Didn't say all. I even mentioned hotels with walls facing large public gathering spaces.
Is this really unreasonable?
Yes. It is unreasonable.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:18 am to 50_Tiger
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Right, it more than likely wouldn't of been from a sniping position / staged.
You don't think he'd have scouted out a different position to inflict similar damage?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:18 am to LNCHBOX
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Yes Thin about how many hotels are just in the French Quarter and downtown NOLA that fit that criteria, and this is a small city relatively.
Most of the large hotels dont offer that great of vantage points for large crowds.
The only space I can think of right now is Champions Square and some parts of Canal.
Most of the FQ does not have tall buildings.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:19 am to 50_Tiger
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I even mentioned hotels with walls facing large public gathering spaces.
Define "with walls facing large public gathering spaces". Can you imagine that clusterfrick? I can argue every hotel on a street meets this criteria. Which is....every hotel in the U.S.
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