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Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:32 am to LZ83
quote:1. I don't think you understand what self defense means, if you think that.
That guy already endangered my unborn child. I see it as self defense.
2. So you don't think your unborn child was put in more danger by your wife by running after him? You don't believe that, this is you just staying entrenched in your position for some weird reason. You don't possibly think that the wife didn't put her unborn child in any extra danger that was not absolutely necessary to do so.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:34 am to shel311
Yes, I do understand. I don't think it was irrational maybe a little reckless. Maybe it was fight or flight and she decided to fight. You cannot fault her for that.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:39 am to LZ83
quote:If you understand, you would know it's not actually self defense.
Yes, I do understand
quote:Did you read the story? You can't read the story and think it was fight or flight. There was no fight, the dude ran the moment he saw her.
Maybe it was fight or flight and she decided to fight.
quote:I'm glad she stuck up for herself, but the way she went about it had a lot of issues. It was not self defense, no matter how you try to spin it, by law it certainly wasn't based on what we know as of now. And she also unnecessarily put her unborn child as well as potentially any others in the parking lot for what she did.
You cannot fault her for that.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:41 am to shel311
I understand your points as well. I have mine you have yours. That's what makes the world go round. Cheers.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:48 am to shel311
quote:
I'm glad she stuck up for herself, but the way she went about it had a lot of issues. It was not self defense, no matter how you try to spin it, by law it certainly wasn't based on what we know as of now. And she also unnecessarily put her unborn child as well as potentially any others in the parking lot for what she did.
Fine. You can keep coming with scenarios that could have been worse but the fact remains that THEY DID NOT HAPPEN. NO ONE else was hurt. What if he ran out in front of someone else BECAUSE SHE WAS CHASING HIM, that car swerved and hit someone. Would you blame her for that too?
The only thing that actually happened, was that HE broke into her car, SHE chased him down and HE was caught.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:54 am to LCA131
quote:
Fine. You can keep coming with scenarios that could have been worse but the fact remains that THEY DID NOT HAPPEN. NO ONE else was hurt. What if he ran out in front of someone else BECAUSE SHE WAS CHASING HIM, that car swerved and hit someone. Would you blame her for that too?
The only thing that actually happened, was that HE broke into her car, SHE chased him down and HE was caught.
Never been a driver in a wreck but I've had many speeding tickets in my life. If only I could get out of my speeding tickets by saying "But no one was hurt!"
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:15 pm to LCA131
quote:Process vs results, that's not exactly how the law works. Do you understand that you don't get to do whatever you want just because no one gets hurt, right?
You can keep coming with scenarios that could have been worse but the fact remains that THEY DID NOT HAPPEN. NO ONE else was hurt.
quote:He wasn't running because she was chasing him, he was running before she was chasing him.
What if he ran out in front of someone else BECAUSE SHE WAS CHASING HIM, that car swerved and hit someone. Would you blame her for that too?
quote:Not how the law works, i could give you a hypothetical to make you understand that, but you'll just say it didn't actually happen without understanding why it's being said.
The only thing that actually happened
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:16 pm to efrad
quote:Your honor, I'm aware I fired my gun into a crowd of people, but since the shot missed everyone and no one was injured, we cool, right?
Never been a driver in a wreck but I've had many speeding tickets in my life. If only I could get out of my speeding tickets by saying "But no one was hurt!"
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:39 pm to shel311
quote:
You're literally saying it would not matter
Nope. I said IF does not matter, not IT does not matter. We are talking about what happened, not what may have happened in alternative realities.
Reality is that she ran him down like a dog in the street and got HER purse back. He also got arrested for his actions. Order has been restored when she goes home with her medal.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:41 pm to shel311
quote:
You would if it were you and your kid walking down the same aisle of the parking lot.
Can you take this mythical kid, who does not exist, out of all of your arguments dealing with actually happened?
TIA,
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:41 pm to Hangit
quote:And the reason that it does matter is because of what could have happened, so the 2 go hand in hand.
Nope
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:42 pm to Hangit
quote:You can read all the posts where I did just that. TIA
Can you take this mythical kid, who does not exist, out of all of your arguments dealing with actually happened?
TIA,
The reality is she was driving reckless through a parking lot. That's a fact based on what we know. That alone shows I'm right. The hypotheticals are for those who have clearly stated she didn't do anything wrong to try and help them see why they're incorrect. Again, process vs results.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:56 pm to shel311
The reality is she is pregnant and guided by hormones. We do not know what was in her purse or how badly she needed it. She made a quick decision and I support her in it.
It may have been an empty parking lot. It may have been filled with aliens from the planet Zirconia. Who knows?
Had the thief kept his hands to himself it is a non issue. He holds all responsibility for all events that occurred.
It may have been an empty parking lot. It may have been filled with aliens from the planet Zirconia. Who knows?
Had the thief kept his hands to himself it is a non issue. He holds all responsibility for all events that occurred.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:01 pm to Hangit
Are you really trying to use preggo hormones as an excuse for a woman running a guy down with her vehicle? That's a bold strategy cotton. I hate thieves as much as the next guy, but jeez.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:15 pm to Hangit
quote:That's certainly fair and probably has a good bit of truth to it. It also doesn't excuse reckless driving and jumping a curb in a parking lot.
The reality is she is pregnant and guided by hormones.
quote:Unless it was another baby in her purse, I doubt there was anything in there that excuses reckless driving and jumping a curb in a parking lot.
We do not know what was in her purse or how badly she needed it
quote:No "if" games
It may have been an empty parking lot. It may have been filled with aliens from the planet Zirconia. Who knows?
quote:Correct...and irrelevant to her being reckless and jumping a curb in a parking lot.
Had the thief kept his hands to himself it is a non issue
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:24 pm to Jcorye1
quote:
Are you really trying to use preggo hormones as an excuse for a woman running a guy down with her vehicle?
Nope. Just stating facts. That and the purse contents importance to her is unknown to us.
Should I join the other side and speculate purely on the presence of elves or shooting non existent guns into crowds that were not gathered?
I think she should go to jail because her car is made of ferrous metal. It may have attracted a magnetic asteroid, causing it to hit some imaginary puppies that weren't there. It was PUPPIES man!!! How can you hate puppies and America?
Sometimes somebody clearly breaks a law. This law may not have really been designed for their situation. The DA should just send them on down the road. That should happen here.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:26 pm to Hangit
quote:See my above post to debunk this...or ignore it.
Should I join the other side and speculate purely on the presence of elves or shooting non existent guns into crowds that were not gathered?
quote:And how we're grasping for straws.
I think she should go to jail because her car is made of ferrous metal. It may have attracted a magnetic asteroid, causing it to hit some imaginary puppies that weren't there. It was PUPPIES man!!! How can you hate puppies and America?
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:35 pm to shel311
quote:
No "if" games
The Queen of If games has spoken. As it is written, so it shall be done.
quote:
that excuses reckless driving
Link to charges of reckless driving or relegate to the "If" pile?
quote:
Unless it was another baby in her purse, I doubt
Your doubt is an opinion. We have no way of knowing what was in her purse, or it's importance to her. Another if.
quote:
jumping a curb in a parking lot
Did she jump it like Bo and Luke or did she ease over it? Saying Jumped it is a bit premature and kind of iffy.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:50 pm to Hangit
quote:
It may have been an empty parking lot. It may have been filled with aliens from the planet Zirconia. Who knows?
Uh probably people who watched the video know?
The video that shows that she's in a nearly full parking lot, drives across three parking aisles (using empty parking spaces to get through across aisles) flooring it while someone screams "get out of the way!" in the background
Yeah that video
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