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re: Pope Francis orders US Bishops to delay their vote today on tackling sexual abuse
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:14 pm to DCtiger1
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:14 pm to DCtiger1
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welcomes everyone regardless of whether you were “baptized” as a baby or not, and one that isn’t so tied to ritualistic nonsense that has nothing to do with belief in God or Jesus.
Had a serious girlfriend at LSU. Her family were old line NOLA Catholics and whoope de do people in their Parish. They had her break up with me because I wasn't Catholic. Mind you, I had already told them I was going to convert but "nope" I wasn't born Catholic.
Funny thing was, their daughter humped like a horny rabbit and is now down two divorces and living unmarried with some idiot in a shitty apartment. Meanwhile, I am doing just fine. Dodged a bullet I guess but really tainted my view of the Catholics.
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:14 pm to SwaggerCopter
I don't have tradition or need tradition and I understand who Jesus Christ is. I am amazed and very appreciative that someone loved me so much that he did for me and all I need to do is trust Him to get to heaven. Catholics make salvation so complicated and I never understood that. I don't need religion or want religion. Whats that Bible verse about me becoming less and Him more? I think in John or something. That's all I need in life. 
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:21 pm to RedPop4
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They consider Christ to be the Bridegroom and the Church His Bride. They take up this same mantle and consider the Church their bride, and commit themselves 100% to the Church. Just as a husband in a matrimony should commit himself 100% to his wife.
Right. So when you have a kiddy diddler priest in one parish, you transfer him on to another "wife" to diddle for a little while, and have a new priest come in and diddle his old wife. Or if one priest's "wife" doesn't respond to him with attention and money, they send him to another, typically lesser "wife" and let some new priest come in and satisfy what was his wife.
It's a stupid, antiquated way of looking at the situation, which nobody involved actually views the way it is portrayed, using your portrayal as an example.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:22 pm to SwaggerCopter
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There is no reason to just believe Scripture. Something has to come before that. How is this so hard to understand?
God came before old testament scripture.
Jesus came before new testament scripture.
I believe in them, over what religion spews. I trust them, over religions.
How is this so hard to understand?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:23 pm to SwaggerCopter
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I don't get offended at all. Celibacy is a tradition that came about, based on Paul's writings that celibacy was ideal, and the fact that Jesus was celibate. It absolutely could change (we casually call it a lower case "t" tradition). But I personally am opposed because I like not having to balance family with ministry. Ask any minister's family about living with a dad/husband who is always at church. Also, the most badass Catholic saints were celibate priests (St. John Vianney, St. Philip Neri, St. Ignatius of Loyola, etc.), and all of them would have been hindered by a family. The Eastern Church does allow married priests (although not bishops). And the Catholic Church does make exceptions. I agree that it puts a lot of faith in a man. But the Catholic Church does not believe the Holy Spirit chooses the Pope, despite what the media and many Catholics will tell you. The Holy Spirit does guide the Pope, and the conclave (although voting cardinals can ignore that and politic - which I believe they have done often, and likely did with Francis). And it really is miraculous how the Church has survived such awful awful popes and corruption. It gives me more faith. Popes with secret families that didn't change or soften those doctrines. You see how quickly the Church of England broke off and devolved because of ONE bad king in Henry VIII. The only thing the Church believes to be infallible is when the pope makes an infallible claim (which he literally has to do). This has happened only a few times in the Church. If Pope Francis tomorrow said that gay marriage was a Church teaching, and that was an infallible teaching, he would be labeled an anti-Pope immediately if he did not recant. The frustrating thing with Francis is that he's actually really good at implying change and causing confusion without committing what's called formal heresy (what he would get bumped for). I guess the other thing I will say is that every church puts a lot of faith in one man, the pastor. And when people disagree, they break off and start another church. The Catholic Church has shown an ability to weather the storm that no other church has shown in my opinion. Shoot an email to SwaggerCopterTD@gmail.com if you have any other questions. But reply to this post and let me know if you do that because I never check that email unless I'm expecting an email.
Thanks for the feedback. I can respect that.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:27 pm to Festus
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God came before old testament scripture.
Jesus came before new testament scripture.
I believe in them, over what religion spews. I trust them, over religions.
How is this so hard to understand?
Well, Jesus believed in Church. He believed in Temple, and he established a new Church. It's in the Bible!
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:33 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Well, Jesus believed in Church. He believed in Temple, and he established a new Church. It's in the Bible!
All true, but my Bible reads like he wasn't too hip on religion.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:33 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Well, Jesus believed in Church. He believed in Temple, and he established a new Church. It's in the Bible!
He certainly did. Unfortunately, it wasn't the Catholic Church. It was the Christian Church. And it had no Pope.
In the Bible there are no popes or priests to rule over the church. Jesus Christ is our High Priest (Heb. 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5; 8:1; 9:11), and all true Christians make up a spiritual priesthood (I Pet. 2:5). Jesus Christ has sanctified all Christians who believe on Him (Heb. 10:10-11), so all priests today are unnecessary and unscriptural.
Furthermore, the practice of calling a priest "father" is forbidden by Jesus Christ in Matthew 23:9. There is only ONE mediator between God and men (I Tim. 2:5).
The Catholic church teaches that Peter was the first Pope and the earthly head of the church, but the Bible never says this once. In fact, it was Peter himself who spoke against "being lords over God's heritage" in I Peter 5:3. Popes do not marry, although Peter did (Mat. 8:14; I Cor. 9:5).
The Bible never speaks of Peter being in Rome, and it was Paul, not Peter, who wrote the epistle to the Romans. In the New Testament, Paul wrote 100 chapters with 2,325 verses, while Peter wrote only 8 chapters with 166 verses. In Peter's first epistle he stated that he was simply "an apostle of Jesus Christ," not a Pope (I Pet. 1:1).
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:36 pm to Festus
I think the only leadership word used in the Bible is Elders, I think. Nothing about popes or priests and saints, like you said is all Christians.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:45 pm to macaronithepony
It was, and was speaking to the individual churches, which all together formed the first Church, Christianity.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:10 pm to SwaggerCopter
can you give an example or 2 of when a Pope made an infallible claim? is this something that happens often?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 8:50 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
They are very rare. Only seven even. The most recent ones were the Immaculate Conception (Mary was conceived without original sin) in 1854 and the Assumption of Mary in 1950. Both of these doctrines have been widely believed for centuries, but because people had begun to question them in recent times, the popes declared both of these teachings infallible to put any debate to rest.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 8:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Don’t we already have child molestation laws? WTF are they voting on?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:06 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
If anyone really wants to see some real action against all of this fricking foot dragging, lets stop tithing for three weeks and threaten longer if the shite doesn't hit the fan immediately. #nomoneyforkidfrickers.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:14 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Both of these doctrines have been widely believed for centuries, but because people had begun to question them in recent times, the popes declared both of these teachings infallible to put any debate to rest.
Did they see the answer in a golden tablet? I don’t put my faith in some man elected as pope. My faith is routed in Christ as my savior.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:50 pm to DCtiger1
Same here, and Jesus Christ said what the Church he built on Peter binds on earth will be bound in heaven. And it's worked pretty well for 2000 years. Rock solid doctrine full of deep theology supported by theology that Aristotle would be proud of. Inspired by the Holy Spirit, even when horrible people are trying to take it down both inside and out.
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