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re: Pope Francis orders US Bishops to delay their vote today on tackling sexual abuse
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:23 pm to SwaggerCopter
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:23 pm to SwaggerCopter
I’ll stick with a church that improves the community they are a part of, welcomes everyone regardless of whether you were “baptized” as a baby or not, and one that isn’t so tied to ritualistic nonsense that has nothing to do with belief in God or Jesus.
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:24 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Oh you mean the Jesus that kept the Sabbath Day holy and kept all of the Jewish feasts like Passover (the Last Supper occurred during this)? You are so clever.
He did, I agree.
Now, you tell me, how did he feel about the Pharisees and Sadducees?
Better yet, let the readers of this thread go search that for themselves.
I'm not trying to be clever. And honestly not trying to start some type of spiritual fight. I'm just offering a different opinion than you. If I've offended you, I apologize.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:24 pm to Festus
It is so obvious you do not understand Christianity's development. You think Roman Catholicism just popped up out of nowhere. It is so clearly rooted in Christianity with a specific name once other Churches began claiming to be Christianity. Roman Catholicism IS Christianity. Everyone else is an imposter.
I think the biggest think I want to emphasize is that you are really worried about the hierarchy and the politics. And while the history tells me the faith is true, the most convincing part for me has been all of the saints that quite clearly identified as Catholic. St. John Vianney, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Padre Pio, St. Francis De Sales, ,etc. The writings of these amazing saints shows me where the truth is, but Joe Schmo's "relevant" Christianity.
I think the biggest think I want to emphasize is that you are really worried about the hierarchy and the politics. And while the history tells me the faith is true, the most convincing part for me has been all of the saints that quite clearly identified as Catholic. St. John Vianney, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Padre Pio, St. Francis De Sales, ,etc. The writings of these amazing saints shows me where the truth is, but Joe Schmo's "relevant" Christianity.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:25 pm to Festus
I don't get offended. 
But I absolutely do not think that the Catholics could be equated to Pharisees and Sadducees. When I read St. Therese of Liseaux and St. Francis de Sales, I don't see that.
But I absolutely do not think that the Catholics could be equated to Pharisees and Sadducees. When I read St. Therese of Liseaux and St. Francis de Sales, I don't see that.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:27 pm to SwaggerCopter
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The writings of these amazing saints shows me where the truth is, but Joe Schmo's "relevant" Christianity.
This will be the downfall of Catholic Church. Pompous self righteous belief that you are the one and only church.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:29 pm to geauxtigers6492
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As a Catholic......WTF Francis.
As a Catholic, and excuse my french, but frick Francis.
Guy is no man of God. He's a spawn of satan...
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:31 pm to SwaggerCopter
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It is so obvious you do not understand Christianity's development.
You keep saying this, but you know absolutely nothing about me personally. Nothing.
I grew up a staunch Catholic. I studied the Bible. I have read the bible cover to cover twice, every word. And I have studied it for scripture readings too many times to count. And I admit that as of late, I've failed to continue with the curiosity I once had.
Everything I say, I say with support of the Scripture.
To this point, you have not been able to refute one thing I've posted. Just berated me for not being as enlightened as you. Kinda the opposite of the humility taught by Christ himself.
We'll all have to stand before God. I believe that there are many that you are taunting and berating, that truly love God and accept Jesus as their savior. They will be in heaven. I wonder how you'll speak to them then?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:31 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Roman Catholicism IS Christianity. Everyone else is an imposter.
well you keep trying to work your way into heaven and keep confessing your sins to some dude that sins just like you. This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:43 pm to Roadhandler
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Contraception is immoral while the raping and molestation of children is covered up by your Church leaders. Obviously your church leaders Are fd up in the head.
Well, they can both be immoral, right?
I mean, I'm sure the official position of the church would say molestation is immoral too.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:44 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:IDk do they need to vote on this?
I'm sure the official position of the church would say molestation is immoral too.
Gotta wait for the pope to tell them what to do. 
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:00 pm to Festus
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To this point, you have not been able to refute one thing I've posted.
But I have. Sola scriptura is not a sustainable position. I posted an article about why it's not, and you ignored it.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:03 pm to SwaggerCopter
You're talking articles?
I was talking about the actual scripture.
I guess we're coming at it from different positions. You hold onto your articles, I'll hold onto scripture. Agree to disagree.
I was talking about the actual scripture.
I guess we're coming at it from different positions. You hold onto your articles, I'll hold onto scripture. Agree to disagree.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:04 pm to Festus
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To this point, you have not been able to refute one thing I've posted. Just berated me for not being as enlightened as you. Kinda the opposite of the humility taught by Christ himself.
I apologize that you feel that way. I do believe in objective truth, and I disagree with your dismissals of the one true faith. And there is one true faith. Do you believe your personal spin is it? I prefer to be guided by more than just my own ideas. And when I do more research with Church teaching, I always find myself agreeing.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:06 pm to Festus
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I'll hold onto scripture. Agree to disagree.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:06 pm to SwaggerCopter
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And there is one true faith.
Lol
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:07 pm to Festus
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I guess we're coming at it from different positions. You hold onto your articles, I'll hold onto scripture. Agree to disagree.
The premise of my article is that you have absolutely no reason to believe only what's in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it tell you to do that. In fact, there are many places in the Bible where people defer to things other than Scripture. But don't read it because a follower of Martin Luther told you that you have to get it from the Bible.
You do realize that the vast majority of early Christians couldn't read, right? Tradition is at the center of the faith.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:08 pm to SwaggerCopter
quote:I would imagine at the center of their faith is Jesus Christ the one who died for their sins and that is where they place their trust. You don't need to be able to read to understand that or tradition.
Tradition is at the center of the faith.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:10 pm to SwaggerCopter
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and I disagree with your dismissals of the one true faith. And there is one true faith.
No, you've misunderstood me. I believe in the one true faith. That faith is in Jesus Christ, being the son of God, and the only savior that died on the cross so that my sins could be forgiven. That's the one faith I believe in, truly.
What I don't believe in is one true religion. That's my honest feeling.
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Do you believe your personal spin is it?
No, no personal spin, actual scripture. That's what I believe.
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I prefer to be guided by more than just my own ideas.
Good for you, I guess reading Catholic articles makes you feel good about yourself. You should try researching actual scripture.
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And when I do more research with Church teaching, I always find myself agreeing.
And when I do more research with actual Christ's teachings, not religion's, I always find myself agreeing.
We're just different. I respect you. Follow your religion. I'll follow Christ.
Good day, brother.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:10 pm to macaronithepony
And without Tradition, you will become mighty confused on who Jesus Christ is, and that is evidenced by the 100,000+ Christian denominations.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:11 pm to Festus
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You should try researching actual scripture.
There is no reason to just believe Scripture. Something has to come before that. How is this so hard to understand?
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