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Police Want to 3D Print a Dead Man's Fingers to Unlock His Phone...

Posted on 7/22/16 at 11:42 am
Posted by JBeam
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 11:42 am
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Last month, law enforcement officers showed up at the lab of Anil Jain, a professor at Michigan State University. Jain wasn’t in trouble; the officers wanted his help.


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Jain and his PhD student Sunpreet Arora couldn’t share details of the case with me, since it’s an ongoing investigation, but the gist is this: a man was murdered, and the police think there might be clues to who murdered him stored in his phone. But they can’t get access to the phone without his fingerprint or passcode. So instead of asking the company that made the phone to grant them access, they’re going another route: having the Jain lab create a 3D printed replica of the victim’s fingers. With them, they hope to unlock the phone.


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Arora described how this works to me. The police already have a scan of the victim’s fingerprints taken while he was alive (apparently he had been arrested previously). They gave those scans to the lab, and using them Arora has created 3D printed replicas of all ten digits.


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A 3D printed finger alone often can’t unlock a phone these days. Most fingerprint readers used on phones are capacitive, which means they rely on the closing of tiny electrical circuits to work. The ridges of your fingers cause some of these circuits to come in contact with each other, generating an image of the fingerprint. Skin is conductive enough to close these circuits, but the normal 3D printing plastic isn’t, so Arora coated the 3D printed fingers in a thin layer of metallic particles so that the fingerprint scanner can read them.


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It’s not a foolproof method yet. Arora is still refining the technology, and they haven’t yet given the fingers back to the police to try and unlock the victim’s phone. But Arora said that in a few weeks, once he’s tested the fingers enough in the lab, he’ll hand them over. Then the police will try to use 3D printed models of a dead man’s fingers to unlock his phone.


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Where it gets more murky, and more interesting, is thinking about whether this kind of technology can and should be used in other cases, involving living suspects. If this works, to get into someone’s phone locked by a thumbprint, cops would just need the person’s fingerprints… and a court order: In 2013, the Supreme Court ruled that police need to have a warrant to search the contents of a personal cell phone. According to the courts, there is actually


Fusion

Good or bad idea?
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 11:44 am
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 11:44 am to
Depends on the facts of the case and where it's located. Yes, it's obvious to anyone how this could be abused, but it also could also help if used legally and in a constrained environment.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112610 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 12:02 pm to
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Good or bad idea?
If done properly, seems like a fantastic idea.

This is obviously different than trying to force a company like Apple to develop some sort of system to unlock a phone. That's not good.

This way, I'm all for it.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138019 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 12:05 pm to
Technology advances challenge my libertarian leaning ideals every damn day. I don't know what to think about stuff like this.
Posted by Tittle'sPants
Fifth Circuit
Member since Aug 2012
627 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 12:24 pm to
New OS for iPhone is going to have facial IR recognition, so this is already moot if you update your phone.
Posted by SmoothOperator96
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Member since Jan 2016
4136 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 12:31 pm to
I thought the police could just download everything? I know someone who got tied up with the wrong people. And when they were taken in, the police downloaded EVERYTHING. Messages, pictures, videos, etc.
Luckily, they were clean and got out of it. But still, they literally had everything off of that phone.
Posted by Hunter82378
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
842 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 1:02 pm to
Look up Organovo! They are a bio printing company that can print real human skin by using stem cells. Is all printed from a 3D printer. I think they can help the police out on this one.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89408 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 1:16 pm to
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instead of asking the company that made the phone to grant them access,


why not just do this?
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37000 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 1:21 pm to
Can they not use the dead man's fingers? I didn't click the link.

Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
20005 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 1:54 pm to
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cops would just need the person’s fingerprints… and a court order: In 2013, the Supreme Court ruled that police need to have a warrant to search the contents of a personal cell phone.


So if you have a court order or a warrant and the person is alive, wouldn't that mean they are obligated to open the device? Should be no different then letting them walk in your front door or search your vehicle.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 2:04 pm to
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Should be no different then letting them walk in your front door or search your vehicle.



Except for, how do you violate the rights of a deceased person? If this is being used to solve a murder I have a hard time finding an argument against it.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87333 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 2:30 pm to
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Except for, how do you violate the rights of a deceased person? If this is being used to solve a murder I have a hard time finding an argument against it.


Slippery slope.

That's not where it would end.
Posted by Simpkjo
West Monroe
Member since Jun 2007
2933 posts
Posted on 7/22/16 at 2:31 pm to
If phone has service they don't even need this and I'm not sure on service part. As long as phone is sending data, it can be read. Most if not all police Depts have Imsi catchers and can get whatever information off any phone in range. Anything your phone has can be accessed. Cam and speakers turned on, voicemails heard, text messages sent and received. Scary to think about.
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