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re: Police released video of the fatal shooting of unarmed black man in Oklahoma

Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:21 am to
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:21 am to
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Do I believe black lives matter yes. Do I support a group of people protest which leads to destruction that the media labels as blm? No.



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LSU_Saints_Hornets




someone hijacked your account

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:21 am to
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But we are talking about 13% of the population having the worst education, diet, infant mortality, criminal rates, and etc than any other race



None of that is true. Natives fare far worse, and in some areas, Hispanics (though not a race)

At some point, people need to realize they are a result of choices they've made. Common interests lead to common choices and in densely packed urban areas it tends to be exacerbated.

Some of the most poor counties are rural, and they don't have the highest crime rates. Social factors are more important than racial.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39874 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:21 am to
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But we are talking about 13% of the population having the worst education, diet, infant mortality, criminal rates, and etc than any other race. That is more than a coincident.


You're right...it's not a coincidence.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70048 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:22 am to
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are the same cops that said he would not put his hands in the air, which was blatantly false


I thought they said he wouldn't show his hands...there is a difference. Maybe they wanted to see his palms
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:22 am to
It was a bad shoot. Not because he was black, but because cops are poorly trained and we have many on the force who shouldn't be there.
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18110 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:23 am to
I'm really late to this thread but, here's my analysis.

The man was at gunpoint. Hands up but not following the officers command. He turned and walked to his car door. Backup arrived. He appeared to try to enter his vehicle while at gunpoint and being told not to do so. He was shot.

He escalated the scenario. He didn't follow instructions of a felony at gunpoint takedown. He attempted to gain access to his vehicle. He got himself shot.

This is a good shoot, people. You can't just walk away while your at gunpoint. you will get shot.

Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70048 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:24 am to
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He's too wilfully ignorant and needlessly incendiary to be sincere


I have always thought this that is why I give him a hard time. I think this is entertaining for him much like some of my comments are for me
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:25 am to
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This is a good shoot, people. You can't just walk away while your at gunpoint. you will get shot.



You can't just shoot someone for walking away without a better reason.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:25 am to
Yup, way to pass the time
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:26 am to
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You can't just shoot someone for walking away without a better reason.
link?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70048 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:26 am to
getting people mad can be very entertaining
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
Uptown NO,LA
Member since Jan 2013
9739 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:26 am to
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It's no coincidence that they don't want to go out an earn a living instead of waiting for handouts. That shite is being passed down from generation to generation.



Ikr they should join the military shine shoes and earn their handouts like you.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
27478 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:27 am to
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You can't just shoot someone for walking away without a better reason.
Roger, if you were a cop in this situation, would you prefer to let him shoot at you first before you shot at him? Keep in mind, you don't know if he has a gun and, for whatever reason, he keeps walking back to his car while being told not to do so.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:27 am to
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You can't just shoot someone for walking away without a better reason.



he didnt get shot for walking away, he got shot for reaching into his vehicle

Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:28 am to
Roger knows this was resisting being detained and or resisting arrest.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:28 am to
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Ikr they should join the military shine shoes and earn their handouts like you.



then who would farm the fields at the prisons?
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:29 am to
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he didnt get shot for walking away, he got shot for reaching into his vehicle


uhh uhh. He was just reaching for his new mix tape to offer the officers.
Posted by Smoke7024
Member since Jun 2010
24079 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:29 am to
Why does a large number of black people that feel they're oppressed by the government keep voting for a party that wants the government to control as much as possible?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:30 am to
LINK

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Is there a federal legal standard to judge the appropriateness of police use of force?

Yes. The Supreme Court held in a 1989 case, Graham v. Connor, that the appropriateness of use of force by officers “must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene,” rather than evaluated through 20/20 hindsight.

That standard is designed to take into account that police officers are frequently asked to make split-second decisions during fast-evolving confrontations, and should not be subject to overly harsh second guessing. The Justice Department cited that legal threshold last month when it declined to prosecute former Ferguson, Missouri police officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death last summer of an unarmed black 18-year-old.

Can police officers shoot at fleeing individuals?

Only in very narrow circumstances. A seminal 1985 Supreme Court case, Tennessee vs. Garner, held that the police may not shoot at a fleeing person unless the officer reasonably believes that the individual poses a significant physical danger to the officer or others in the community. That means officers are expected to take other, less-deadly action during a foot or car pursuit unless the person being chased is seen as an immediate safety risk.

In other words, a police officer who fires at a fleeing man who a moment earlier murdered a convenience store clerk may have reasonable grounds to argue that the shooting was justified. But if that same robber never fired his own weapon, the officer would likely have a much harder argument.

“You don’t shoot fleeing felons. You apprehend them unless there are exigent circumstances — emergencies — that require urgent police action to safeguard the community as a whole,” said Greg Gilbertson, a police practices expert and criminal justice professor at Centralia College in Washington state.


You can't even shoot a fleeing felon who is running away without having more supporting reasons.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22973 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:32 am to
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You can't just shoot someone for walking away without a better reason.


Absolutely.

But, it looks (to me at least) like there was a "better reason" here. When he reaches into the car window for what they reasonably believe is a gun, lethal force is warranted.
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