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re: Police released video of the fatal shooting of unarmed black man in Oklahoma
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think that's a stretch in this case.
I think you're the one reaching
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:49 am to LSUwag
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Yea, it's normal and no big deal...until something tragic happened, which we see from time to time.
You can't shoot a person for just walking away. You have to have reasonable fear for your life or others.
If they have reason to believe he was going for a gun, then it's justified. But, you disagreed with me that shooting for just walking away was wrong. You can't just open fire for someone not complying.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:51 am to TJGator1215
You really need to do some introspection.
The cops tactically retreated because they didn't know what was inside that SUV.
The cops tactically retreated because they didn't know what was inside that SUV.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
did they shoot him as he walked away as you alluded to?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:51 am to TJGator1215
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ou guys are more scared of a potential threat than the real one.
Im more scared of criminals in America than cops or terrorists.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:53 am to meauxjeaux2
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did they shoot him as he walked away as you alluded to?
So you agree you can't shoot for just walking away, correct?
I don't know why they shot him. Do you?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It was a bad shoot. Not because he was black, but because cops are poorly trained and we have many on the force who shouldn't
Agree. I did not say it was because of his race or imply it.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
If the officer can articulate a perception of imminent death or great bodily injury to the officer, a fellow officer or s citizen then DF is indeed justified.
I feel pretty confident that this case will pass that test.
I feel pretty confident that this case will pass that test.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:yeah.
So you agree you can't shoot for just walking away, correct?
I don't know why they shot him. Do you?
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I don't know why they shot him. Do you?
Looks to me he puts one hand down and reaches into his vehicle. Did you see that in the video?
You keep trying to get us to believe he was shot for walking away. That's being disingenuous at best bro.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:58 am to LSUwag
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If the officer can articulate a perception of imminent death or great bodily injury to the officer, a fellow officer or s citizen then DF is indeed justified.
I agree, however that wasn't the discussion we were having.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't know why they shot him. Do you?
He was shot because he reached into the vehicle. Did you even read the story?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:00 pm to meauxjeaux2
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Looks to me he puts one hand down and reaches into his vehicle. Did you see that in the video?
You keep trying to get us to believe he was shot for walking away. That's being disingenuous at best bro.
No, you're just having difficulty following the conversation. Go back and read. My statement about "walking away" was in response to another post.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:15 pm to LSUwag
Because they're a bunch of pussies who are poorly trained and then cover-up when they frick up. Just look at their story and then the video.
This is the problem;
Those convictions you guys were pointing out:
[link=(abcnews.go.com/amp/US/terence-crutcher-police-shooting-tulsa-oklahoma/story%3fid=42217812?)]LINK[/link]
This is the problem;
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In an audio recording from inside the helicopter, a voice speaks up and says, "Time for a Taser."
"That looks like a bad dude, too. Probably on something," another voice adds.
It remains unclear from the video what would have given that impression to the speaker. Crutcher's sister described her brother as a church-going family man in a news conference.
Those convictions you guys were pointing out:
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The most recent court records bearing his name come in the form of traffic violations, which occurred over a decade ago.
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Before the video of the incident was made public on Monday, police spokeswoman Jeanne MacKenzie told reporters that Crutcher "refused to follow commands given by the officers."
She added, "They continued to talk to him. He continued not to listen and follow any commands. As they got closer to the vehicle, he reached inside the vehicle and at that time there was a Taser deployment, and a short time later there was one shot fired."
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Before video and audio documentation of his death were released Monday, Jordan announced that Crutcher had no weapon on him or in his SUV before he was killed.
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Tulsa police helicopter footage, perhaps the clearest of the videos released on Monday, shows Crutcher walking along the road at a measured pace with his hands in the air before being shot. The officers follow several feet behind him, and Crutcher does not stop or turn toward them until he places his hands on top of his vehicle, a white SUV.
First two, and then three officers form a line behind Crutcher.
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With three officers standing in a line behind Terence Crutcher and at least one more officer standing several feet behind them, the video shows, his body falls to the pavement.
Blood pools around his body. Roughly two minutes appear to pass before anyone checks on him.
Dashcam video also appears to show Crutcher's hands on top of the vehicle seconds before he was killed.
[link=(abcnews.go.com/amp/US/terence-crutcher-police-shooting-tulsa-oklahoma/story%3fid=42217812?)]LINK[/link]
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:21 pm to TJGator1215
i honestly don't see how you're still allowed to post here. Aren't you the one who said the police officers and the sheriff deputy that got murdered here in BR pretty much had it coming to them?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:23 pm to TJGator1215
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Because they're a bunch of pussies who are poorly trained and then cover-up when they frick up. Just look at their story and then the video.
well they wouldnt be needed without criminals.
every year more broken familes, more bad kids, more grow up to be criminals.
hence why we have more police, some of which are unqualified
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:26 pm to CaptSpaulding
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If you think this is as simple as "just obey,"
When somebody "has the drop" on you? What else is your recourse? AT THAT MOMENT? A. Might get shot. B. Not shot.
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and are blaming this guy for this incident,
I opened my comment with saying some cops should not be cops. This officer was an idiot or was terrified. Or both.
Would need more video to "blame". But what I saw? nope not the dead guys fault. Would be curious to hear audio of what escalated this? What got a disabled vehicle to a guns drawn situation.
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"just comply" logic
This applies in ANY scenario where you have a gun pointed at you, and the situation can be de-escalated? An a-hole on the street wants my wallet? frick you!!! He has a gun and wants my wallet? Here you go...
More SHOULD be expected from police. But counting on that expectation when a gun is drawn?? Good luck. You can be right and proud or you can stay alive?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:27 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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It was a bad shoot. Not because he was black, but because cops are poorly trained and we have many on the force who shouldn't
Agree. I did not say it was because of his race or imply it.
I know, but unfortunately this will end up being about race instead of what it should be about. However, the "bad dude" comment from the pilot isn't helping at all.
Why was he dude stopped in the road? Car trouble?
Why was he subjected to such harsh procedures if it was just car trouble?
Why was he headed to his car?
Could be legit, could be bad. It looks bad on video, and the police chief admitted so but we don't know everything
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:30 pm to tgrbaitn08
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He was shot because he reached into the vehicle.
Why would he have to be shot for reaching into the vehicle? Did someone call the cops on him? Did the cops pull him over? Was there an APB out for him? Was he covered in blood? The guy was stranded on the side of the road. The cops just happened to pass him on the way to another call. How did this escalate to them drawing their guns and killing a guy who did absolutely nothing wrong.
The facts are no one called the cops on him. He wasn't pulled over by police. They just happened to notice him stranded and pulled over to protect and serve. WHY would they need to draw their weapons in this case?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:33 pm to Rize
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I'll never understand why the word black gets so many people excited. Change the title to guy shot while not obeying police orders and it doesn't seem as bad. To me this looks like a bad shoot and happens to white people all the time but everybody wants to jump on it when it happens to a black man. Hopefully justice is served for this man if it is deserved and maybe body cam footage will justify the shooting if he's being belligerent and Threatening towards the cops.
I hope you get shot by a black cop when you are changing a flat on the side of the road. Seriously. Are you really that dumb?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:34 pm to meauxjeaux2
No you dumb fricking idiot. Pull up a post where I said that. Eat a fricking dick. I never Said anything of the sort.
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