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Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:29 am to 777Tiger
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does not necessarily mean that
Could you elaborate? I honestly don't know anything about this. I'm just going off this quote...
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NTSB Vice Chairman Bruce Landsberg said the flaps were up, which tells investigators the plane was not preparing to land.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:34 am to notbilly
retracting flaps is one way of reducing drag if the aircraft lost thrust.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:35 am to notbilly
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Could you elaborate?
flaps increase the area of the wing surface, they increase lift and lower the stall speed of the wing, allowing the aircraft to takeoff and land at lower speeds, they also increase drag, if, and it's a big if, the guy was trying to put it down in a field that he had chosen as his last best chance, he might have been delaying flap extension to try and conserve energy on the wing until he actually made the field
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:49 am to 777Tiger
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hottub
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777Tiger
Thanks
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:52 am to hottub
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flaps
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:56 am to notbilly
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the NTSB said the flaps were up which they say indicates the pilot was not trying to land.
Was not trying to make a normal landing. Many moons ago I had an emergency landing in a Cessna. Flaps were the very last thing I was worried about.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:38 am to phil good
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Was not trying to make a normal landing. Many moons ago I had an emergency landing in a Cessna. Flaps were the very last thing I was worried about.
This is what I was thinking and seems odd anyone from the ntsb would make a comment like that. Thats like saying “ the landing gear wasnt down so he wasn’t trying to land”.
What was the viability that day officially? I guess what I mean is at what altitude would the pilot have seen the ground? Sure he may not have been intending to land at that moment but it seems unlikely he didn’t know a crash landing wasn’t coming before they hit the ground.
Eta: no matter what happened to get them going to the ground, it seems most likely to me the pilot at some point tried to land in that field. The power line ended their chances of that. But I just feel like it’s slim to none chance they slammed into the ground without some sort of landing planned even if it was just for the last 4-5 seconds of being in the air.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:44 am to baldona
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What was the viability that day officially? I guess what I mean is at what altitude would the pilot have seen the ground?
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“Visibility was about 3/4 of a mile, wind was 5 knots and the cloud base was about 200 feet,” said Jennifer Rodi, NTSB investigator-in-charge.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 10:46 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:48 am to LSUlefty
SIAP, the last update on the lone survivor was 3 days ago according to google. Any updates this morning? I hope he is progressing well.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:09 am to GumboPot
Was this lone survivor a victim who was on the ground or was this poor victim a passenger in the airplane?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:28 am to Champagne
In the airplane.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:29 am to Champagne
That’s the victim from the plane. The lady that was struck in her car on the ground is awake and aware. She had her first of many surgeries yesterday. It went well and as expected. She is in a lot of pain though.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:45 am to tiger91
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Are pilots insured for this type thing
The airplane is the one insured. And most commonly at much much higher limits than vehicles. Pilots on occasion carry liability insurance.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:44 pm to Boston911
I would guess he was an employee of the owner of the plane right? Not sure how that works exactly especially if he wasn’t full time, but id assume the employer would cover the insurance?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:45 pm to supatigah
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So they said he almost clipped a apartment complex. I assumed the complex they were talking about was the retreat apts which are SE of the post office. correct
picture from Post Office parking lot as plane would have approached from just above the trees, barely flying over a large apartment complex. You can see the power lines on Verot School Rd. Those small trees and light pole were taken out upon landing
Clean-up and restoration crews were working all day yesterday (Jan 1). The post office has new glass, the red bricks were power-washed and look like pic below, the adjacent field has been manicured to minimize most of the debris and grass burns. The PO opens tomorrow am, Fri 1/3
Tuesday morning I witnessed a group of 10-12 teenagers, likely Walker's classmates from Ascension, who were holding a prayer vigil for their lost friend
Posted on 1/2/20 at 4:04 pm to DevilDogTiger
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That’s the victim from the plane.
I hope that the surviving passenger can remember enough to help the investigation.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 4:26 pm to Champagne
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I hope that the surviving passenger can remember enough to help the investigation.
The pilots here may be able to answer this question. There were only 3 adult men on the plane (one being the pilot). Based on weight distribution, I would assume the male that survived the crash would have been seated towards the front of the plane, correct? Any guess as to whether he would have been seated next to the pilot or behind the pilot in a rear facing seat?
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 1/2/20 at 4:41 pm to 777Tiger
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NTSB Vice Chairman Bruce Landsberg said the flaps were up, which tells investigators the plane was not preparing to land.
Correct, I believe that the NTSB was stating that they were not preparing for a runway landing at the time of the crash.
If they lost engine(s) and crashed at the post office, they certainly would have never made it back to the airport with the landing gear down.
If indeed the pilot was trying to land in the field, leaving the gear up would have given him a few extra seconds of air time and a belly landing in a grass field may not have been a bad option.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 4:43 pm to GRIZZ
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There were only 3 adult men on the plane (one being the pilot). Based on weight distribution, I would assume the male that survived the crash would have been seated towards the front of the plane, correct? Any guess as to whether he would have been seated next to the pilot or behind the pilot in a rear facing seat?
Do they worry about that? I flew on a turboprop once with only 6 seats and they didnt tell us where to sit
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