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re: Plane crash in Lafayette
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:23 am to Jim Rockford
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:23 am to Jim Rockford
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Some relatives commercial flight out of Ellick was delayed a couple of hours Saturday due to the Laffy plane crash. I thought that was weird.
don't see how that would have any effect on that? obviously LFT departures/arrivals would be affected briefly
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:34 am to Byrdybyrd05
“The plane was in the air for no longer than a minute,” Hartung said. “They are hopeful they will find a recorder in the aircraft.”
The NTSB has already said the plane did not have one.
The NTSB has already said the plane did not have one.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:39 am to Kracka
Kaylee said her dad was killed in a plane crash in Lafayette when she was 10.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:41 am to Jim Rockford
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Kaylee said her dad was killed in a plane crash in Lafayette when she was 10.
I was less than 200 yards away and witnessed that crash
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:44 am to Jim Rockford
Her brother was the first person I thought of when it happened. great family.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:46 am to TutHillTiger
My house is two miles further down from the crash site just off of Verot School Rd. I have been in this area for over 20 years. According to the FlightAware log, the last reported location was just to the southeast and past the crash site/post office parking lot/empty field at an altitude of 500 feet. If the witness accurately reported seeing the plane banking steeply left before hitting the power line and sliding across the parking lot, then the only conclusion to be made is that the plane did a complete turnaround very near Tolson Rd and Verot attempting first to reach the airport runway. But as the plane kept descending, the pilot turned left to avoid the apartments, the Walmart and other buildings and tried to land in that field.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:48 am to 777Tiger
(I was less than 200 yards away and witnessed that crash)
Do you remember the outcome of that investigation?
Do you remember the outcome of that investigation?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:54 am to TIGER2
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Do you remember the outcome of that investigation?
I was at a meeting with the Feds and people that run the show the day before, most everyone did their routine for the Feds that day or maybe the day before, Hartung was admonished for being below the altitude mins(hard deck if you will,) and was told to start/conduct his routine higher, he didn't, also the winds were very gusty and the air was very choppy with lots of downdrafts. he initiated a maneuver without sufficient room to recover and pancaked in, dead instantly, ambulances went out to the plane, Acadiana Ambulance chopper fired up and as soon as the ambulances got there they shut it down, show was back up and running within a half an hour
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 11:56 am
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:57 am to LSUlefty
From reports I understand the aircraft had no Flight Data Recorder. Not sure that included a Cockpit Voice Recorder as well? Nor did the pilot communicate with the Air Control Tower during his struggle to maintain control of the airplane. The NTSB says it will make their job much harder.
To you guys in the know.....is this standard policy to exempt privately owned aircraft of this size from having flight data recorders?
From the layout of the debris field, it appears the pilot was trying to put the airplane down in that pasture next to the Post Office but when he hit that power line that doomed any chance of saving the passengers.
Bottom line.....how is the FAA going to change the rules to prevent this from happening again? That's what I'd like to know? I mean the FAA does not have a good track record preventing airplanes from falling out of the sky.
R.I.P Carley and your fellow passengers.
To you guys in the know.....is this standard policy to exempt privately owned aircraft of this size from having flight data recorders?
From the layout of the debris field, it appears the pilot was trying to put the airplane down in that pasture next to the Post Office but when he hit that power line that doomed any chance of saving the passengers.
Bottom line.....how is the FAA going to change the rules to prevent this from happening again? That's what I'd like to know? I mean the FAA does not have a good track record preventing airplanes from falling out of the sky.
R.I.P Carley and your fellow passengers.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:00 pm to GeorgePaton
the clouds had a ceiling of 200' that morning. That is extremely low. At even a modest climb rate they would have been in the clouds in seconds. My guess is disorientation. The flightaware showed steady acceleration the entirety of the flight ending at 191 kts. That shows a rapid descent at full power. That plane will not fly that fast at level flight.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:03 pm to 777Tiger
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I was at a meeting with the Feds and people that run the show the day before, most everyone did their routine for the Feds that day or maybe the day before, Hartung was admonished for being below the altitude mins(hard deck if you will,) and was told to start/conduct his routine higher, he didn't, also the winds were very gusty and the air was very choppy with lots of downdrafts. he initiated a maneuver without sufficient room to recover and pancaked in, dead instantly, ambulances went out to the plane, Acadiana Ambulance chopper fired up and as soon as the ambulances got there they shut it down, show was back up and running within a half an hour
Where was this plane crash at? When was it?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:04 pm to JudgeHolden
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Am I reading right that the payload with max fuel is only 898 pounds? ... but with six passengers, that ain't much.
That gives you 150lbs per person. The fuel capacity is around 2,500 lbs. Wouldn't you offset the passenger weight by not topping off the tank?
disclaimer: not a pilot
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:06 pm to Kracka
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Where was this plane crash at?
midfield
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When was it?
1996
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:07 pm to 777Tiger
It was my understanding Hartung was not flying his own plane at that show, but a similar T6. At the time I wondered if that plane might have had slightly different performance characteristics than his own plane, and could have contributed to the accident.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:10 pm to 777Tiger
Wait was this the plane that crashed in the Airshow years ago?
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:11 pm to EA6B
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It was my understanding Hartung was not flying his own plane at that show, but a similar T6.
that does sound familiar, it's been a while, I'll do some digging, he was also going to do a routine in an L-39?, I'll never forget, they were towing it out to position it when the crash occurred and the tug driver never even stopped, he just did a U-turn back towards the hangar where it was parked
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:12 pm to Bedhog
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My guess is disorientation.
But given the low visibility at takeoff would the pilot have been ready to implement and trust his instruments. I mean the pilot was instrument rated I'm sure. I know spatial disorientation is a contributor to accidents but no way this guy was NOT instrument rated.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:12 pm to Kracka
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Is this airplane people code for "someone where in lafayette"?
middle of the airport, we're talking about the Hartung crash at an airshow at the LFT airport
just saw your question, it was an AT-6
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:18 pm to 777Tiger
From the sound of things it looks like the pilot did a really good job in impossible weather conditions and had them lined up with the runway and then was lined up to ditch in a field. He just got incredibly unlucky with the power lines. Payload is the biggest question here.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:22 pm to GeorgePaton
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Bottom line.....how is the FAA going to change the rules to prevent this from happening again?
Ban all future flights of any type of aircraft.
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