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re: Placing blame on inanimate objects versus getting to the root of the problem
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:22 am to TDcline
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:22 am to TDcline
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We now have made up diseases like fibromyalgia...
Every kid in the world has all of a sudden become ADHD in the past 25 or so years so docs can push pills. when that wasn’t an issue before. We were too poor to try the ADHD route when I was a kid. if I acted like an arse, my dad beat the frick out of me with a belt and would explain to me why he did it.
We live in a soft as frick society now.
But also, I think teens largely have nothing to hope for anymore. Nothing to aspire to. Negativity dominates every possible media outlet. Kids are exposed to death and violence more than ever before. I grew up watching boy meets world and shite. Today’s kids grow up watching porn and violence and society has become desensitized to it. White kids are told they’re basically pieces of shite and should apologize for their whiteness. Boys are told they’re pieces of shite and if they compliment a girl they are basically raping them. Kids are now told that the national fricking anthem is racist somehow, but also that if they don’t have life figure out by 10 that they may need to have gender reassignment procedures. Fat, purple haired women dominate our education systems, minorities can basically do whatever the frick they want and play the race card, and we have generations growing up not knowing what the frick is going on.
Woah, woah, woah...
Fibromyalgia is a made up disease now??? Hahahaha
Wow...
Second of all, your dad violently beating your arse, instilled much more violence and anger in you than any movie, video game, or porn (LMAO), ever would.
It has been shown in several studies that video games have NOTHING to do with accelerated violence, anger, or mental illness. If nothing else, they prevent shootings, due to the child having an alternative outlet for their aggression.
The real problem is the refusal of parents to teach their child by EXAMPLE, and not just tell them one thing, and act in a completely different way.
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:22 am to PCRammer
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I'm not sure what capacity magazines you have but lets just say you have a 30RD. Now from Columbine to yesterday if just one kids life was spared because you could only own a 25RD mag would you be willing to give up that 30RD freedom?
Slippery slope, baw. What if we go to 20 and save 2 lives? Etc..
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:22 am to Jester
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Yeah, because AR stands for Anonymously Random.....
It stands for ArmaLite Rifle... it is a brand.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:26 am to TH03
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Don't try to hide behind "assault rife" or "military style" to make your position sound better.
I'm just using the convenient terms because I imagine most people know what I'm talking about. I doubt it makes my position, if you can even call it that, sound better.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 9:27 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:30 am to TxTiger82
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The US is the only country in the world with this problem. That should tell you something.
That’s an extremely shortsighted statement
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:30 am to Brazos
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Can a gun get up and shoot by itself? People can kill with just about anything if they are determined enough.
This is the dumbest, laziest argument in favor of gun control.
1. Guns allow for much larger numbers of casualties versus knives, swords, clubs, bottles, etc.
2. Can a thermonuclear device get up and explode by itself?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:32 am to GeauxOCDP
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It has been shown in several studies that video games have NOTHING to do with accelerated violence, anger, or mental illness. If nothing else, they prevent shootings, due to the child having an alternative outlet for their aggression.
This is a load of horse crap. Video games have not been around that long... so the long term ramifications can not be ascertained. They are getting more graphic, more plentiful and more 'realistic'. If you think this is not PART of the issue, you're kidding yourself.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:33 am to Brazos
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My point is the end game is not just to take away "assault rifles" but to eventually take all the guns. I'm not a paranoid conspiracy theorist either, I just see the writing on the wall with the progressive left.
So, you're not a paranoid conspiracy theorist, you just follow the "writing on the wall" that leads you to a conspiracy.....
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:33 am to LCA131
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We all KNOW what firearms he is referencing. It is NOT just scary looking, it is not simply semi-auto. It is the high powered, large capacity magazine that one rarely if ever sees a hunter with
It IS simply semi-automatic...same as any number of "hunting" firearms, such as my 30-06, my 12 gauge shotgun, and my pistol.
The magazine is a completely separate discussion as it is an accessory to the weapon, not the weapon itself. That is like saying that my truck should be outlawed because it has an extra fuel tank.
All firearms are high-powered and should be treated as such.
Seems the only thing I can't refute is that an AR-15 is scary looking. So it is the image that scares you and gun-control advocates...
I didn't parse words... I clarified them. However, for the part of the discussion... I'm more interested in finding out why the FBI had reports on the shooter and never followed up. Passing more laws won't help when the current laws don't get enforced.
Virginia Tech
Aurora, Colorado
Tuscon, Arizona
Isla Vista
Sandy Hook
All of these shooters had been reported to someone in an authoritative position, prior to the shooting... what happened?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:35 am to TH03
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Are you really going to argue that deviant, aberrant behaviour isn’t outside the norm?
Homosexuality has been a part of human history for centuries though. Greeks and Romans were sucking each other like they were vacuum cleaners.
This^
But your daddy said them dang gays are sinful, contageous deviants... So it must be true.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:35 am to LCA131
And furthermore, how would you "study" that anyway? It made me laugh out loud when I read that. If there was ever a time that somebody pulled out a random statement out of his arse to make it sound good...
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:35 am to LCA131
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This is a load of horse crap. Video games have not been around that long... so the long term ramifications can not be ascertained. They are getting more graphic, more plentiful and more 'realistic'. If you think this is not PART of the issue, you're kidding yourself.
As games become more realistic, deaths have been going down outside of 2 years....
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:35 am to Mike da Tigah
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why not fund mental health facilities in America than go after guns?
Damn, funding mental health facilities is going to stop mass shootings? Who would have thunk it?
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Why not go after the quacks practicing medicine and drugging up society with pills that make so many young Americans hollow emotional vacuums and semi functioning zombies?
What? Most of the people committing these mass shootings NEED to be drugged up / treated. But it's not so easy to force this to happen.
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We never had these problems before we started prescribing so called happy pills that detach you from human feelings to everyone who has bad days.
You can say this about anything pre-Columbine. We never had these problems when we didn't have:
- violent video games
- heavy metal music
- the internet
- social media
- smart phones
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lack of parenting, broken families, a lack of love, lack of God, greed taking priority over raising families with values and love, spending time with kids in actually raising them, etc, etc... but one thing that never adds up is placing blame on a damn inanimate gun for the human problems we are facing in the year 2018.
I think there are a lot of things that have got us to where we are today with mass shootings. Access to guns has always been there, before and after this epidemic. I think bad and/ or absent parents deserve the most blame. Sure, some kids are just bad apples, but that has always been the case. The difference back before the 90's is that parents did a better job of raising their kids and were more actively involved in their lives. I also feel like parenting has become more difficult in the last 20 years with the internet. It's harder to keep track of what's going on in kids' lives / minds when they spend more and more time detached from reality, obsessed with their smart phones, social media, etc.
Everyone wants a solution to this problem. Unfortunately, nobody seems to have a good one.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:36 am to fr33manator
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deviant
LOL
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:36 am to SUB
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You can say this about anything pre-Columbine. We never had these problems when we didn't have:
- violent video games
- heavy metal music
- the internet
- social media
- smart phones
This is a joke right?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:37 am to TDcline
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if I acted like an arse, my dad beat the frick out of me with a belt and would explain to me why he did it.
That seems really smart of your dad
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:37 am to TH03
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Slippery slope, baw. What if we go to 20 and save 2 lives? Etc..
Hey, I totally get that. Some would worry it wouldn't stop at 25 or 20 or whatever number, and there's probably some truth to that.
But hypothetically, lets says you go a buy your AR. Legally it can only come with a single 9Rd mag. Then if you wanted more you are put on a 60 day (or whatever multi month number) wait before you can buy that 30rd. And if you want another, then its another 60days. Maybe in that 60days a public health official or ATF or whoever can do social media background checks of that person. Not saying it would be fail proof.
But..If this saves a few lives would you support it?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:38 am to TH03
You do realize that the graph trends up beyond 2013, right? I can tell you for sure that the line is going to trend up to 17 in 2018.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:39 am to RealityTiger
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The problem is that people like you
And there it is. People like me. And then you proceed to lecture me about being closed minded. That's rich.
And your lack of a real rebuttal just proves my point that much more...
You told us yourself that you are closed minded! Don't get all pissy for getting called out on it.
You literally said that people who are "different" than you are the problem...
I would consider that very much closed minded.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:40 am to etm512
The AR and handgun are both semi automatic and can both hold enough rounds to cause significant casualties so that's a wash. The fully automatic is already illegal but that doesn't stop people from converting them if they really wanted to do it.
It's a terrible tragedy that no amount of gun control will solve. We have a moral problem in this country and there is a way to change a persons heart but that's another topic.
It's a terrible tragedy that no amount of gun control will solve. We have a moral problem in this country and there is a way to change a persons heart but that's another topic.
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