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re: Placing blame on inanimate objects versus getting to the root of the problem
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:42 am to Ice Cold
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:42 am to Ice Cold
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You should enlist in the National Guard
The Guard is controlled by the governor and the President. It won’t stand with the people in an uprising.
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:42 am to mylsuhat
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There are people that have the knowledge on how to do that to any semi-auto but it's not a simple task.
Glocks and AR's, very simple actually. The parts to do it are cheap, and the work required is simple.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:44 am to LCA131
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Why is it happening? Why are these shootings happening? Why are folks lashing out at other people... many or most of whom they do not know?
Why do people lash out at strangers working at retail stores, or chase each other in cars over an accidental vehicle incident, or video a woman being beaten instead of attempting to help?
Parents dont provide the example of respect for others that they used to. My father says yes maam or sir whether you are 50 or 15... Thats what we need more of.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:45 am to Mike da Tigah
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why not fund mental health facilities in America than go after guns
Good suggestion since we are slashing funding for mental health on a state and national level. Apparently we don’t want to pay for that either.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:46 am to GeauxOCDP
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Parents dont provide the example of respect for others that they used to.
Ironic since the people who lash out at retail workers aren't the younger generation..
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:48 am to Chucktown_Badger
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The drugs that don't make it into this country and the people trafficking them that get put away is limiting the effect. In short, if it was a free for all I'm saying the drug epidemic would be much worse.
I think there’s a way for regulations and limitations to be put on the amount people can get and the frequency they are able to get it.
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Agree...they should get help while they're locked away. Potential prison time is likely a deterrent to many who may otherwise indulge.
I get that, and trust me, I understand that, the potential of jail time has deterred me from doing many things. That’s also why I said I don’t know if they already have organizations in place in the prison system to treat addicts. And if that’s the case then, I don’t know how much more you’d be able to do.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:51 am to Brazos
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Can a gun get up and shoot by itself? People can kill with just about anything if they are determined enough
I see this argument a lot, and I have to ask:
Do you think the shooter would have killed more kids yesterday if he was more heavily armed?
Do you think there were laws/restrictions/hurdles that helped prevent him from being more heavily armed?
The answers seem obvious, right?
I'm not saying gun control is the no doubt solution - I'm a believer that we need to take mental health more seriously as a society - but if these situations don't make us think about solutions then we are all failing.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:52 am to Fachie
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Glocks and AR's, very simple actually. The parts to do it are cheap, and the work required is simple.
If it was so simple and cheap then why did the San Bernadino shooter's rifle malfunction? It was supposedly modified yet the full-auto function didn't work. Guess it really is not that simple. Just because the mass media or the internet told you something doesn't make it true.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:00 pm to Korin
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They do have a high suicide rate though (50% higher than ours last I checked). Things are easier when you have a homogeneous culture.
Mass shootings are mostly perpetrated by white males so the homogeneity of the culture has little to with it.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:00 pm to NawlinsTiger9
I see these arguments and ask:
More heavily armed than what? The VA Tech shooter only used two handguns and a bunch of magazines to kill more than 30. Lanza had rifle, handgun, shotgun and killed fewer than Cho did. Same with the Aurora shooter, more weapons and fewer casualties. Seems then that the location and density of the population of victims has far more to do with it than how well armed the criminal is.
That Federal Law banning firearms on school property didn't work. There are no laws/restrictions/hurdles that prevent anyone from committing these acts. Words on paper do not physically prevent them, ever.
Obviously not once you really examine the argument.
You don't know enough to call anyone out as being intellectually dishonest here.
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Do you think the shooter would have killed more kids yesterday if he was more heavily armed?
More heavily armed than what? The VA Tech shooter only used two handguns and a bunch of magazines to kill more than 30. Lanza had rifle, handgun, shotgun and killed fewer than Cho did. Same with the Aurora shooter, more weapons and fewer casualties. Seems then that the location and density of the population of victims has far more to do with it than how well armed the criminal is.
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Do you think there were laws/restrictions/hurdles that helped prevent him from being more heavily armed?
That Federal Law banning firearms on school property didn't work. There are no laws/restrictions/hurdles that prevent anyone from committing these acts. Words on paper do not physically prevent them, ever.
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The answers seem obvious, right?
Obviously not once you really examine the argument.
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but if those questions don't make you think then you aren't being intellectually honest with yourself.
You don't know enough to call anyone out as being intellectually dishonest here.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:01 pm to TH03
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Parents dont provide the example of respect for others that they used to.
Ironic since the people who lash out at retail workers aren't the younger generation..
I worked in retail management for close to 10 years and very rarely did I get scolded by a "younger" person, surprisingly they are usually the ones to apologize for their parent's behavior.
On the reverse side, there are just as many that follow in the same footsteps.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:02 pm to Mike da Tigah
C'mon man, none of us whether on this board or off or conservative or liberal really wants to get to the bottom of this or wants to admit that short of total confiscation/ registration this will be an existential problem going forward.....cats out of the bag in regards to guns, too many out there and the government could never confiscate.
The liberals will never admit that we have created a society that creates alienation of people and that there are people with serious mental illnesses that need to be off the street....we used to understand this as a society.
The right wing will never admit that the easy access to military type weapons helps to exacerbate problems in this regard. You have an f'd up person, off the radar for the most part who can pass a background check and will use this type of tool to perpetrate this kind of horror and that easy access to this type of tool is like discounted heroin to a junky
Neither side however can predict an Adam Lanza. A kid with severe Aspergers who freaks out or whatever one day, breaks into his mom's gun cabinet, loads the weapon, goes upstairs, kills mom and then heads over to Sandy Hook where his mom would work and begins to kill little kids....you can't account for that type.
The liberals will never admit that we have created a society that creates alienation of people and that there are people with serious mental illnesses that need to be off the street....we used to understand this as a society.
The right wing will never admit that the easy access to military type weapons helps to exacerbate problems in this regard. You have an f'd up person, off the radar for the most part who can pass a background check and will use this type of tool to perpetrate this kind of horror and that easy access to this type of tool is like discounted heroin to a junky
Neither side however can predict an Adam Lanza. A kid with severe Aspergers who freaks out or whatever one day, breaks into his mom's gun cabinet, loads the weapon, goes upstairs, kills mom and then heads over to Sandy Hook where his mom would work and begins to kill little kids....you can't account for that type.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:08 pm to TH03
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Ironic since the people who lash out at retail workers aren't the younger generation..
In MOST cases you're right. In my opinion it is deeper than outside perception.
The man who doesn't appear to have anger may go home and beat his wife and kids, while the guy yelling, may just be having a bad day...
Some children rebel, while some are dedicated to bettering their situation. There is no EASY answer here.
Respect is a good place to start though.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:24 pm to TH03
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When did I say this?
I think you're mistaking me for someone else who said that...
Well, shite.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:27 pm to NorthTiger
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Good suggestion since we are slashing funding for mental health on a state and national level. Apparently we don’t want to pay for that either.
It is hypocritical to be honest. Blame the individual, not the gun! But we don't want to pay for anything that might help treat the individual so this never happens!
Similar to the old abortion should be illegal! But we don't want to pay welfare for you and your kid, or planned parenthood to help educate or prevent the kid from being conceived!
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:29 pm to KiwiHead
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The liberals will never admit that we have created a society that creates alienation of people and that there are people with serious mental illnesses that need to be off the street....we used to understand this as a society.
The right wing will never admit that the easy access to military type weapons helps to exacerbate problems in this regard. You have an f'd up person, off the radar for the most part who can pass a background check and will use this type of tool to perpetrate this kind of horror and that easy access to this type of tool is like discounted heroin to a junky
That's my point...there are two things here
1) Society and the wacked out people in it
2) Access to the guns/weapons that they use when they crack
Both need to be addressed for something to change, but of course neither will happen.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:31 pm to MountainTiger
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I know for a fact that it's my golf ball's fault. Or possibly the clubs.
There are always exceptions to the rule
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:41 pm to MrBiriwa
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Serious question. What kind of threat are you under that you need an assault rifle?
Serious answer. Define that category of gun - what exactly will you ban? What is the difference functionally in the AR 15 cycling mechanism and that of a typical hunting shotgun, or a Ruger 10/22?
Should we ban this?
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What about this?
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:16 pm to Aubie Spr96
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The state and federal gov't. The founders of this country understood that a disarmed citizenry had no chance of overthrowing a despotic gov't. That's why they put that clause in the constitution.
The United States government is in possession of nuclear weapons. Best of luck defending yourself with that AR-15.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:19 pm to TH03
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Lol what? His incompetence with weapons means he was doing what he saw in video games?
Given the physical evidence and his actions, yes. He wasn't incompetent in his actions, he just acted out what he saw.
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Let's even say he was influenced by reloading mechanics in video games. Meaning he drops a 30 round mag with 20 left thinking it's like video games where those 20 still stay in your total ammo. Wouldn't that be more a case of EXTREME mental delusion rather than a violent video game influencing him?
He shot and killed his mother while she was sleeping in bed, stole weapons and ammunition, then when on a shooting rampage against elementary school children. Him copying the actions of a video game are at the LOW end of the extreme mental delusion here.
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Also, that wouldn't be indicative of him being inspired by the violence in the video game...
No, I stated that some of the actions he took are possibly inspired by what he saw in video games, not that video games inspired him to commit the violence in the first place.
Go look up the report, you'll be better educated and everyone else would benefit from you making smarter arguments.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 1:20 pm
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