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re: Photos of History - MANY MORE ADDED
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:11 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:11 am to Darth_Vader
Oh and one cannot forget the role that TIMING has. Had the Russian revolution happened a month sooner, Or the grand German offensive with operation Michael start a month later how things would have changed.
If Germany had known that the Russians were about to bow out due to revolution, can you imagine the Grand German offensive with the added men from the eastern front?
If Germany had known that the Russians were about to bow out due to revolution, can you imagine the Grand German offensive with the added men from the eastern front?
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:11 am to Darth_Vader
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It's uncanny how much George V of Great Britian looked like his cousin (Queen Victoria of Britian was both their grandmother) Czar Nicholas II of Russia
It's always blown me away, their resemblance. It really does bring to light, though, just how muddled all of the old European houses really were back then. When nations went to war, it was usually two or more countries led by relatives fighting each other.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:17 am to beerJeep
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Oh and one cannot forget the role that TIMING has. Had the Russian revolution happened a month sooner, Or the grand German offensive with operation Michael start a month later how things would have changed.
If Germany had known that the Russians were about to bow out due to revolution, can you imagine the Grand German offensive with the added men from the eastern front?
They'd have taken Paris and basically won the war just before the US could make any difference. History as we know it know would be fundamentally different.
What I wonder is had things happened like this, how would a post WWI Europe developed with The German Empire sitting next to an infant Soviet Union?
France would have been a mess, losing its second war to Germany in a generation. I think it's very possible France may have had its own Communist revolution at least by the mid20s. How would Germany and Great Britian have reacted to this?
Then there's the matter of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. It would have still been around but would have still been a mess itself. How would it fit into this post WWI Europe?
It's really interesting to think about -and how ifcthis had gone different, then all these other things would have been different as well.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:29 am to Darth_Vader
God dammit I love conversation like this.
Absolutely agree. I think there would have been a stalemate with Britain for a few years, them a grand push across to Britain. It would have been bloody. And ultimately I believe Germany would prevail after a bloody 2 year fight.
Meanwhile, the fledgling Soviet Union is drawn into a war against an expanding Chinese who smell territorial gains after the bloody revolution.
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They'd have taken Paris and basically won the war just before the US could make any difference. History as we know it know would be fundamentally different
Absolutely agree. I think there would have been a stalemate with Britain for a few years, them a grand push across to Britain. It would have been bloody. And ultimately I believe Germany would prevail after a bloody 2 year fight.
Meanwhile, the fledgling Soviet Union is drawn into a war against an expanding Chinese who smell territorial gains after the bloody revolution.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:34 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Nicholas II (left) and George V (right). Nicky's eyes were darker.
Can you tell who is who?
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 11:37 am
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:03 pm to Darth_Vader
It's pretty crazy when you think about it. Three cousins ruling the most powerful nations in Europe - one ends up victorious, one ends up defeated and exiled, and one ends up overthrown and executed.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:16 pm to i am dan
Times Square in New York, 1911.
Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow
View of the monastery from Svetlitsa Island 1910
Apollo 16 astronaut Charles Duke’s family photo left behind on the moon in 1972.
Fat Man – the bomb that was detonated over Nagasaki, Japan. Here it is seen on a transport carriage after assembly on Tinian Island, 1945.
The only photo on Billy the Kid that is authenticated
Elvis with his father
Dummy head used by John Anglin to fool prison guards while he and two other convicts escaped Alcatraz. 1962
Marilyn Monroe pumping iron
Route 66 in Albuquerque, New Mexico in 1969.
14 inch shells on the deck of the USS New Mexico in 1944.
Crowds rush through the castle on Disneyland's opening day in 1955.
The Japanese "War Tuba" used to locate enemy aircraft before the invention of radar. Circa 1930.
Japanese Kawanishi H8K seaplane after strafing. Kwajalein
Deck crew climbing up to get the pilot out. He did
Red Army snipers doing some anti aircraft work.
man trying to sell his car after losing everything in the Great Crash, 1929.
A fifteen year old German soldier, Hans-Georg Henke, captured by the US 9th Army in Germany. April 3, 1945.
Queen Elizabeth during her WWII service
Brooklyn Bridge under construction, circa 1881?
Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee
French Mug shot of François Bertillon, 23 months. Crime: Gluttony, nibbling all the pears from a basket. 1893.
time for some ladies
Skateboarder in 1976
Marilyn Monroe - by the pool
Pacific Southwest Airlines Stewardesses 1972
Race Day, pretty girl with a Ferrari
shite i gotta get back to work
Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow
View of the monastery from Svetlitsa Island 1910
Apollo 16 astronaut Charles Duke’s family photo left behind on the moon in 1972.
Fat Man – the bomb that was detonated over Nagasaki, Japan. Here it is seen on a transport carriage after assembly on Tinian Island, 1945.
The only photo on Billy the Kid that is authenticated
Elvis with his father
Dummy head used by John Anglin to fool prison guards while he and two other convicts escaped Alcatraz. 1962
Marilyn Monroe pumping iron
Route 66 in Albuquerque, New Mexico in 1969.
14 inch shells on the deck of the USS New Mexico in 1944.
Crowds rush through the castle on Disneyland's opening day in 1955.
The Japanese "War Tuba" used to locate enemy aircraft before the invention of radar. Circa 1930.
Japanese Kawanishi H8K seaplane after strafing. Kwajalein
Deck crew climbing up to get the pilot out. He did
Red Army snipers doing some anti aircraft work.
man trying to sell his car after losing everything in the Great Crash, 1929.
A fifteen year old German soldier, Hans-Georg Henke, captured by the US 9th Army in Germany. April 3, 1945.
Queen Elizabeth during her WWII service
Brooklyn Bridge under construction, circa 1881?
Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee
French Mug shot of François Bertillon, 23 months. Crime: Gluttony, nibbling all the pears from a basket. 1893.
time for some ladies
Skateboarder in 1976
Marilyn Monroe - by the pool
Pacific Southwest Airlines Stewardesses 1972
Race Day, pretty girl with a Ferrari
shite i gotta get back to work
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:18 pm to beerJeep
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Absolutely agree. I think there would have been a stalemate with Britain for a few years, them a grand push across to Britain. It would have been bloody. And ultimately I believe Germany would prevail after a bloody 2 year fight
Interesting. So you think there would have been a Sherman invasion of Great Britian. I could see that happening eventually. But before that, the Germans would have to deal with the Royal Navy. It would be Jutland part II. Do you think the Germans could do better the second time around with the Home Fleet?
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Meanwhile, the fledgling Soviet Union is drawn into a war against an expanding Chinese who smell territorial gains after the bloody revolution.
Another interesting line of thought. In the timespan during and directly after WWI, China was in a period of a good deal of internal strife as different factions in China fought small civil wars with one another. Do you think the lure of territorial gains in Siberia would be temping enough for them to unite and fight against the Soviets?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:32 pm to No8Easy2
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Apollo 16 astronaut Charles Duke’s family photo left behind on the moon in 1972.
That family photo did not last too long. Duke later said that almost as soon as he set it down, it began to fade and curl. In retrospect, he said he wished he would have put it under a rock or had buried it under a thin layer of soil. Still, a touching tribute to his family. Gene Cernan wrote his daughter's initials into the lunar soil, which should remain for millenia if the area isn't impacted by something.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:44 pm to No8Easy2
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Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee
and some dude scared to death
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:44 pm to i am dan
Col. George Smith Patton, C.S.A. - Killed at the Third Battle of Winchester
Gen. George S. Patton, Jr., U.S.A. - World War II
Gen. George S. Patton IV, U.S.A. - Vietnam
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:45 pm to No8Easy2
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A fifteen year old German soldier, Hans-Georg Henke, captured by the US 9th Army in Germany. April 3, 1945.
I've seen this picture hundreds of times over the years. He's a member of a Luftwaffe anti-aircraft gun crew. But now it really hits home because I just realized that kid is the same age as my son. Damn.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:46 pm to Darth_Vader
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Interesting. So you think there would have been a Sherman invasion of Great Britian. I could see that happening eventually. But before that, the Germans would have to deal with the Royal Navy. It would be Jutland part II. Do you think the Germans could do better the second time around with the Home Fleet?
The main difference between this and Jutland? Location. Germany moves all their heavy guns to the sea wall. The paris gun and all the rail guns called forward. The British homeland is bombarded in a year long artillery blitz. All Germany has to do is make sure the naval battle happens in the channel and not in open water. Turn the channel into a giant shooting gallery.
The British, being unlikely to be willing to fall into such an obvious trap, would try to keep the navy in open water. This effectively nullifies the grand British navy. Paving the way for an invasion.
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China was in a period of a good deal of internal strife as different factions in China fought small civil wars with one another.
This, however, is a topic I am not well read up on. So my ignorance my show a tad here.
Anyway, towards the end of the war there was a growing belief that Germany would be a potential ally against Russias imperialism. The belief that Germany could help China resist a Russian push south into northern China wasn't some far fetched idea, and was one that circled the upper echelons of the Chinese govt prior to their entering the war in 1917.
Had Russia crumbled and Germany won, the treaty of Versailles, which granted land to the Japanese and severely pissed off the Chinese, wouldn't have happened...
Know what event would have not come to be? The Chinese may fourth movement. Which was the catalyst for political strife and turmoil in China during this period.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:49 pm to i am dan
February 1943. Working on the horizontal stabilizer of a “Vengeance” dive bomber at the Consolidated-Vultee plant in Nashville.
1916, Russia. Baling machine for hay. Near Kondopoga village
K-25 Gaseous Diffusion Plant in Oak Ridge, Tennessee - 1945. The largest building in the world, at the time, with over 1,640,000 square feet of area under one roof.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:49 pm to TheFonz
The photos of Marilyn Monroe always make me chuckle. For whatever reason, fat chicks always use her as an example of what a real woman looks like, but in reality she is still in much greater shape than any of them. In no way do those women look like Marilyn.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:55 pm to beerJeep
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I've actually been reading up more on rasputin and I'll be damned if that wasn't an interesting man. His murder is right out of the movies. Cyanide laced wine, shot a few times, comes back to life, shot again and tossed into a river. And all the pictures even today it's like rasputin is staring into your soul. Dude was a creepy arse man.
If you named a kid Rasputin do you think that would have a negative effect on his life?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:00 pm to beerJeep
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The main difference between this and Jutland? Location. Germany moves all their heavy guns to the sea wall. The paris gun and all the rail guns called forward. The British homeland is bombarded in a year long artillery blitz. All Germany has to do is make sure the naval battle happens in the channel and not in open water. Turn the channel into a giant shooting gallery.
The British, being unlikely to be willing to fall into such an obvious trap, would try to keep the navy in open water. This effectively nullifies the grand British navy. Paving the way for an invasion.
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Pretty innovated plan. Seems risky, but plausible.
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This, however, is a topic I am not well read up on. So my ignorance my show a tad here
Well by 1917 China was pretty much a hot mess. There had been a revolution just a few years before which brought down the Chinese Empire and replaced it with a Nationalist China republic in 1912 (we call this Taiwan today). The Chinese republic in turn broke down in to something like half a dozen warring factions, each headed by its own Warlord.
Imagine taking the US and diving it into like six different countries and all these countries are constantly fighting each other, finally after a decade of more fighting getting down to just two factions, one republic the other communist, left standing. Oh, and in the middle of all that, imagine Canada invaded and killed millions more on top of the millions who'd already died in the decades of fighting between the domestic factions. That is what China was like for the first almost 50 years of the 20th century.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:02 pm to VinegarStrokes
Here? Yes. Any weird name is detrimental at some point in a child's life.
I! Russia, I assume rasputin is pretty common. The only negative affect would be that he's Russian
I! Russia, I assume rasputin is pretty common. The only negative affect would be that he's Russian
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:04 pm to VinegarStrokes
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If you named a kid Rasputin do you think that would have a negative effect on his life?
Rasputin was his last name. His first name was Gergori, which is basically the Russian version of Greg or Gregory.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:10 pm to Darth_Vader
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Seems risky, but plausible.
Not as risky as fighting a 2 front war. Wiping Britain out is priority number 1. With the added manpower and equipment from the eastern front, Britain wouldn't have lasted. The best scenario for Germany is to completely nullify the british navy and keep them away from the channel. By placing every single barrel on the sea wall, you won't see the British royal navy within gun range of that kind of weapon power.
And at that point it's simply a waiting and logistics game. The navy isn't coming. The British aren't going to launch an attack across the channel to attack the Germans. Send the uboats around to the open water and poof. No more Britain.
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Well by 1917 China was pretty much a hot mess
Maybe one day I'll finally figure out how to pronounce and articulate Chinese names and locations. I really wanna read up on it but every name and place looks the same to me.
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