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re: Photographers, does this make sense?
Posted on 7/18/24 at 8:46 am to pussywillows
Posted on 7/18/24 at 8:46 am to pussywillows
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If I was in working an event and I heard gunfire, I'd definitely increase my shutter speed
That's the first round...
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Posted on 7/18/24 at 8:57 am to Joshjrn
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Being open to being challenged isn't the same thing as actively seeking out information that would contradict your beliefs.
As an example, since this assassination attempt, I've watched some on the left assert that it was a false flag to solidify support for Trump; I've watched basically everyone on the right accuse them of being absolutely horrible people for even considering that as a possibility.
Yet, for the past several years, I watched some on the right claim every major public shooting to be a false flag intended to undermine the right, while the entire left accused them of being absolutely horrible people for even considering that as a possibility.
I don't disagree.
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If it had been Biden on that stage instead, would you be on here posting about shutter speeds showing that this was a grand conspiracy that even the media was in on, or would you be reposting tweets talking about why this might be a false flag to save Biden's election hopes?
I don't know exactly what questions I would be asking but they would align with my political disposition, which I believe is normal.
With that said anytime there is a school shooting, or a Travon Matin or George Floyd situation I generally recoil. I'm like, "awe frick...here we go", and I'm usually out.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:13 am to GumboPot
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I don't know exactly what questions I would be asking but they would align with my political disposition, which I believe is normal.
If the only questions you self-select to ask are those that would bolster your already held beliefs, you aren’t a seeker of truth or a questioner of the status quo; you simply have a higher tolerance for entertaining dubious information and arguments if they align with your already held beliefs.
While that’s not exactly what I would call unusual, there’s nothing particularly noble about it, either.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:29 am to Joshjrn
For this assassination attempt I believe there was a debacle of miscommunication, the nature of which I do not know. Dan Bongino is reporting the communication breakdown. FYI, Dan worked in the SS for 12 years and worked Obama's detail as an SS agent and still has contacts in the agency.
I believe there is incompetence at the director level. I believe Cheatle is incompetent. My evidence for that is her "slope" comment.
I believe the SS agents at site of the assassination attempt were mostly capable with a couple of incapable agents making the entire scene look bad.
Now items that give credence to a bigger conspiracy:
1. The history of the intelligence community MK Ultra-ing patsies.
2. The timing of the short cover of DJT and Rumble stock.
3. The seemingly lack of urgency from LE when the shooter was being called out.
4. The unconfirmed orders telling the SS snipers to stand down and disobeyed orders once the shooter shot, killing the shooter and the SS sniper subsequently getting fired.
I believe there is incompetence at the director level. I believe Cheatle is incompetent. My evidence for that is her "slope" comment.
I believe the SS agents at site of the assassination attempt were mostly capable with a couple of incapable agents making the entire scene look bad.
Now items that give credence to a bigger conspiracy:
1. The history of the intelligence community MK Ultra-ing patsies.
2. The timing of the short cover of DJT and Rumble stock.
3. The seemingly lack of urgency from LE when the shooter was being called out.
4. The unconfirmed orders telling the SS snipers to stand down and disobeyed orders once the shooter shot, killing the shooter and the SS sniper subsequently getting fired.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:50 am to GumboPot
Copied from the other post I made:
I didn't believe it either. That's why I Googled it. The photographer just recently switched from Nikon that he'd used for years to Sony because the tech was so much better.
https://www.techradar.com/cameras/one-in-a-million-pro-photographer-reveals-how-he-took-the-president-trump-flying-bullet-photo-with-a-sony-a1
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It isn't completely clear whether the photo above shows the bullet itself or, more likely, the bullet's vapor trail.
I didn't believe it either. That's why I Googled it. The photographer just recently switched from Nikon that he'd used for years to Sony because the tech was so much better.
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Long after Trump had been whisked away to safety, Mills was going through his photos and sending them back to his editors at the Times.
He knew his photos had documented the moment that Trump was hit by a bullet — you could easily see, over a series of images, Trump grimacing and then reaching at his right ear.
But editor Jennifer Mosbrucker informed him that he had caught something else.
“Jen called me back five minutes later and said, ‘You won’t believe this,’ ” Mills said. “I thought I’d (messed) it up. That was my first thought. And she said, ‘There’s an actual picture of a bullet behind his head.’ I was like, ‘What?’ She goes, ‘You were at such a high shutter speed that it captured it.’ ”
She told Mills that an FBI ballistics specialist looked at the photo and called it a “one-in-a-million” shot.
https://www.techradar.com/cameras/one-in-a-million-pro-photographer-reveals-how-he-took-the-president-trump-flying-bullet-photo-with-a-sony-a1
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Thanks to a screenshot showing the photo's Exif (Exchangeable image file format) data, we can see that Mills used a Sony A1 – which remains Sony's flagship mirrorless camera – and captured the photo at a 1/8000s shutter speed, which is the camera's maximum shutter speed when using the mechanical shutter.
To reach that speed, Mills had to shoot wide open at f/1.6 with a 24mm focal length. He also used multi-pattern metering (which decides the exposure based on the whole frame, as opposed to center or spot metering) and was naturally shooting in manual mode for maximum control.
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As Mills explained: "I just happened to have my finger on the shutter and I heard the pops and just kept shooting. I didn't know what I'd captured, but when I got to my laptop, I can see that bullet flying behind his head, because it's definitely not in the frames right before it and it's not in afterwards – it's only that one frame. I was shooting at 1/8000s – it captured that streak behind him".
Anticipation and preparation are a key component of being a pro press photographer, as Mills added: "I've covered the President for 40-plus years and I always know which way they come on stage and which way they go off. The closest stairs were over to my right, so I ran over there and witnessed him being helped up to his feet".
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:04 am to Shexter
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:09 am to GumboPot
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killing the shooter and the SS sniper subsequently getting fired.
The guy who killed crooks has been fired?
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:15 am to JohnnyKilroy
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The guy who killed crooks has been fired?
That's the rumor. Unconfirmed.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:16 am to GumboPot
Where was this rumor posted?
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:17 am to GumboPot
That seems like something Trump would confirm immediately if true 
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:26 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Where was this rumor posted?
All over twitter. Just search "SS sniper fired".
For example:
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:27 am to Salmon
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That seems like something Trump would confirm immediately if true
Trump is doing the right thing by staying out of the fray.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:28 am to GumboPot
which all came from a 4chan post
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:30 am to GumboPot
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Trump is doing the right thing by staying out of the fray.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:30 am to GumboPot
Who is Rusty Fisher and why should we give any credence to what he has heard?
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:39 am to JohnnyKilroy
No one. Just an example of the search result on Twitter.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:44 am to lsuconnman
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I did some research and the recommended SS to freeze a bullet is between 100,000-300,000. I looked at the exif data for old frozen ball pitching shots and the shutter was between 1/3000-6500 to freeze a pitch. A college pitcher throws about 90mph while a bullet travels about 2,000mph.
The bullet isn't frozen. It's a streak. If the shutter speed is 1/8000 of a second and the bullet is traveling at, oh say 2,500 fps, then the distance traveled by the bullet while the sensor is exposed to it would be about 4 inches. If the image shows the bullet, then the bullet should be about a 4" blur - adjust the length of the blur depending on the actual velocity. If it shows the air disturbance around the bullet or something else, that might elongate the blur sumewhat. So figure the that the leading part of the streak is bullet and the trailing part is some effect that is bending or scattering light in some way.
As others have said, the camera settings are easily explained. Also, not all photographers are going to shoot at base ISO even in full sun, especially if they don't anticipate shooting with the lens aperture wide open for every shot.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 11:01 am to JohnnyKilroy
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The guy who killed crooks has been fired?
No he hasn't. Stupid internet rumor is all that is. And even stupider are the people who believe it.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 11:04 am to BiggerBear
The bullet streak appears to be 10-12 inches long. The muzzle velocity from a 0.223 round is approximately 3250 feet per second. Let say, 130 yard downstream from the muzzle the round is traveling at 3000 feet per second.
That calculates to a shutter speed of 1/3600 to 1/3000. This does not account for "air disturbance around the bullet or something else, that might elongate the blur".
That calculates to a shutter speed of 1/3600 to 1/3000. This does not account for "air disturbance around the bullet or something else, that might elongate the blur".
Posted on 7/18/24 at 11:16 am to Obtuse1
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It is a lot less unusual than using 1/8000 @ 30fps in broad moonlight.
30fps Video at night is difficult, if not impossible for most cameras without the use of AI. This is a special color camera I've used at night that is amazing.
Canon's ME20F-SH camera
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