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re: Per request: cycling deaths are on the rise in the US
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:40 am to concrete_tiger
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:40 am to concrete_tiger
Ah, here it is. The "ima lump ALL cyclists into one group" response. Spandex mafia, LMFAO.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:40 am to canyon
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This thread, as usual with cycling threads, has turned into a shitshow. You want to ride a mini bike going 25 get after it. Once again, it is ILLEGAL (in most states for a MOTORIZED vehicle/mini bike/cart/mower/wheelchair/whatever the frick else to go that slow. Bicycles are exempt from that. I got nothing else.
Why would a bicycle be exempt and the others not?
The biggest argument is not exercise, its because it allows everyone the opportunity to travel to work. Therefore, every vehicle should be allowed?
I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy that bicycle riders deserve some special treatment over any other motor vehicle that goes the same speed.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:42 am to canyon
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But it is part of the fricking interstate system. FFS, how obtuse are you?
But canyon, the shoulder on I70 and I10 for that matter is not part of the interstate. Pay no attention to those drivers to the side of you moving along at 80 mph. Come on man!
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:43 am to LNCHBOX
no, the median is not part of the travel area, its a buffer. But, the shoulder, at times is reserved for traveling(in case of accidents) and breakdowns and cyclists. The shoulder is part of the interstate travel area. For cyclists. And cars when necessary.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:44 am to aTmTexas Dillo
frick you Dillo!
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:46 am to baldona
I DIDN'T MAKE THE frickING RULES! You haven't pointed out shite, other than the fact you don't agree with the rules. Go ask your rep to change the status of bicycles. Be the change you want.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:46 am to canyon
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no, the median is not part of the travel area, its a buffer. But, the shoulder, at times is reserved for traveling(in case of accidents) and breakdowns and cyclists. The shoulder is part of the interstate travel area. For cyclists. And cars when necessary.
I'm gonna need you to show me anywhere that says shoulders are designed for cyclists' use. They are used for travel only in emergency situations.
I'd also like to see where anyone counts shoulders toward capacity in anything other than an emergency situation.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 9:47 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:46 am to OldCat55
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Sometimes large groups of cyclists come out and ride the country roads. They can be a nuisance if you are trying to get somewhere in a hurry and happen to come up behind them in a curvy section of road. However, I can respect their desire to ride out in the green spaces and know to be careful when I spot the first helmet wearing rider.
I think this my biggest gripe. We don't want cyclists taking up the space for cars in crowded cities because you're causing traffic jams. We also don't want cyclists riding way out in the country because that's where we're supposed to drive FAST. Where do cyclists ride then?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:48 am to LNCHBOX
Can I ride my bike on interstate highways?
Most shoulders on interstate highways are open to bicyclists except in metro areas and along specific mountain passes (you cannot ride Vail Pass through Glenwood Canyon, I-70 through the Eisenhower Tunnel or CO-6 from Golden to its I-70 intersection, for example).
Alternate routes and adjacent bike paths can help get you where you’re going. For a more comprehensive guide, please explore the Colorado Bicycle and Byways Map prior to planning a trip to make sure you don’t end up somewhere it’s not safe to be.
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Most shoulders on interstate highways are open to bicyclists except in metro areas and along specific mountain passes (you cannot ride Vail Pass through Glenwood Canyon, I-70 through the Eisenhower Tunnel or CO-6 from Golden to its I-70 intersection, for example).
Alternate routes and adjacent bike paths can help get you where you’re going. For a more comprehensive guide, please explore the Colorado Bicycle and Byways Map prior to planning a trip to make sure you don’t end up somewhere it’s not safe to be.
LINK
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:51 am to canyon
So you've shifted the goalpost from on major highways to on the shoulder of major highways. That's not the same thing. 
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:53 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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Do you stop at stop signs?
Not this shite again.
Do you exceed the speed limit?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:58 am to Ingeniero
I can’t answer your question.
I will ask one of you.
If you come around a mild curve at legal speeds, 45-55, and their is a group of cyclists in the curve that you could not see due to trees along the roadway, how likely is an accident to occur?
I edited my post to show you how many groups of riders are using follow cars to warn drivers of slow moving cyclists now. This has been a very much welcomed action. Nobody wants to hit a cyclist out here. We do respect slow moving traffic. We cannot respect it if we don’t know it’s there until too late.
I have nothing against cyclists by the way.
I will ask one of you.
If you come around a mild curve at legal speeds, 45-55, and their is a group of cyclists in the curve that you could not see due to trees along the roadway, how likely is an accident to occur?
I edited my post to show you how many groups of riders are using follow cars to warn drivers of slow moving cyclists now. This has been a very much welcomed action. Nobody wants to hit a cyclist out here. We do respect slow moving traffic. We cannot respect it if we don’t know it’s there until too late.
I have nothing against cyclists by the way.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:58 am to LNCHBOX
No, the goalposts are the same. My initial post saying major highways and interstates, then narrowing the comment to shoulders of interstates. But, you just want to argue and that's ok. Major highways are not interstates.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:00 am to OldCat55
quote:(no offense to you OldCat, general comment) but it's a shame so many think 13 miles is some insurmountable distance. If you ride a bike regularly, 13 miles is a warmup.
My closest bike ride to a coffee shop would be around 13 miles.
Bikes are not true transportation options in my area.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:00 am to Ingeniero
Just think when all the cars are battery operated and silent how bad it is going to get. Unintended consequences.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:02 am to Ingeniero
It behooves us to encourage young people to live their adult lives near the places they go and spend more time behind handlebars than behind a steering wheel, or else they will be dependent on the government to make automobile travel convenient for them. When you depend on the government to subsidize a lifestyle dependent on several miles of daily commute by automobile, you will spend most of your life being disappointed and frustrated.
I own a car, and I bike more than I drive, and it persists as probably the best lifestyle choice I’ve ever made (biking under I-10 on the Mississippi River levee at the end of the business day confirms this). I never get frustrated with traffic, nor do I ever lament the price of gasoline. And I live in Bâton Rouge.
Pro tip:
x = number of licensed drivers in your household
y = number of cars owned by your household
If you make sure that x > y, you will experience peace and joy.
If x = y, you will experience unneeded stress and frustration.
The combustible engine is a great tool, but for most in America, it is a combustible god. There’s no such thing as high gas prices—only poor decisions.
I own a car, and I bike more than I drive, and it persists as probably the best lifestyle choice I’ve ever made (biking under I-10 on the Mississippi River levee at the end of the business day confirms this). I never get frustrated with traffic, nor do I ever lament the price of gasoline. And I live in Bâton Rouge.
Pro tip:
x = number of licensed drivers in your household
y = number of cars owned by your household
If you make sure that x > y, you will experience peace and joy.
If x = y, you will experience unneeded stress and frustration.
The combustible engine is a great tool, but for most in America, it is a combustible god. There’s no such thing as high gas prices—only poor decisions.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:05 am to OldCat55
quote:If you are driving so fast that you cannot see farther than the distance it takes to stop, the problem isn't the cyclists. Could just as easily be a deer, a broke down car, or... whatever you like.
If you come around a mild curve at legal speeds, 45-55, and their is a group of cyclists in the curve that you could not see due to trees along the roadway, how likely is an accident to occur?
And to your other post... one reason cyclists don't move over for drivers... is because when you do drivers try to squeeze by in those curves. Really dangerous because if a driver has the option of hitting an oncoming car or the cyclist - they will hit the cyclist. (understandable!)
I know it doesn't make a lot of sense if you don't have a lot road riding experience, but after you ride long enough you see a lot of stuff drivers do that is way more threatening that they think.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:09 am to canyon
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My initial post saying major highways and interstates, then narrowing the comment to shoulders of interstates.
Narrowing after I told you that shoulders aren't part of the interstate, because they aren't.
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But, you just want to argue and that's ok
Sorry for making you be accurate.
There is no law. at least that you've posted, showing cyclists are allowed on the major highway or interstate. And why would there be? It would be asking cyclists to effectively commit suicide.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:12 am to Taxing Authority
26 mile round trip for coffee?
I don’t think so. 26 miles for exercise or the joy of riding? Yes, absolutely.
I’ve heard a friend in Baton Rouge bitch about having to go 5 miles to get to a certain store. At the time, the same type of store was over 30 miles from my house.
My comment was simply to express the differences in distances one experiences in an area where bike lanes are appropriate and distances I travel for the same service.
I don’t think so. 26 miles for exercise or the joy of riding? Yes, absolutely.
I’ve heard a friend in Baton Rouge bitch about having to go 5 miles to get to a certain store. At the time, the same type of store was over 30 miles from my house.
My comment was simply to express the differences in distances one experiences in an area where bike lanes are appropriate and distances I travel for the same service.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:13 am to Taxing Authority
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If you are driving so fast that you cannot see farther than the distance it takes to stop, the problem isn't the cyclists. Could just as easily be a deer, a broke down car, or... whatever you like
Exactly. If you're moving so fast around a curve that you would kill people who are going 20mph, you're going too fast for anything. Curves are designed with a stopping sight distance in mind.
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