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re: Pastor Tony Spell has a change of heart
Posted on 5/24/20 at 10:05 am to ZIGG
Posted on 5/24/20 at 10:05 am to ZIGG
There’s a long article about Spell in today’s Advocate (not linking as behind obnoxious paywall). Seems to raise some questions as to how much of an exempt organization Spell’s church should be with details of property redevelopment, mortgages etc all being run out of the church”.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 10:07 am
Posted on 5/24/20 at 10:05 am to ZIGG
So he refuses to be dog walked by the government.
I support his constitutional rights.
I support his constitutional rights.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 10:27 am to ZIGG
A sane and rational person would use some of the millions in donations from probably elderly Church goers to get a tent so said elderly Church goers don’t get infected. Regardless of what the government is telling you to do that seems like the responsible thing to do.
I’m pretty sure Jesus didn’t preach in an air conditioned million dollar building anyway.
I’m pretty sure Jesus didn’t preach in an air conditioned million dollar building anyway.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 10:37 am to WaWaWeeWa
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A sane and rational person would use some of the millions in donations from probably elderly Church goers to get a tent so said elderly Church goers don’t get infected. Regardless of what the government is telling you to do that seems like the responsible thing to do.
He won't do that.. he said he has to "physically touch" each person. which would defeat the purpose of doing online church or a tent for elderly.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 10:48 am to brgirl09
I wonder how this board would react if this was a Muslim cleric preaching at a mosque wanting to touch everyone?
Posted on 5/24/20 at 10:57 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
He’s married and doesn’t wear a ring
Posted on 5/24/20 at 11:18 am to lucaslsu
The rules have always been that your freedoms exist until they endanger other people. You can’t do whatever you want under the name of religion. That’s always been true.
There can be an honest debate as to whether or not he is endangering people. But you can’t just claim religion, end of conversation.
There can be an honest debate as to whether or not he is endangering people. But you can’t just claim religion, end of conversation.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 11:20 am to brgirl09
How much are congregants expected to donate each year?
Posted on 5/24/20 at 11:23 am to iAmBatman
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Good to know that you think thousands of dead Americans is a farce
No more so than the flu each year.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 11:24 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:the same
wonder how this board would react if this was a Muslim cleric preaching at a mosque wanting to touch everyone?
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:06 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
CDC link
~23k deaths in the US for the 2015-16 flu season. Significantly less than current 2020 COVID19 deaths, and we haven’t even gotten through half the year.
If your going to throw out an argument, at least make a halfassed attempt for a good one or I’m gonna make you look like the retard you are.
~23k deaths in the US for the 2015-16 flu season. Significantly less than current 2020 COVID19 deaths, and we haven’t even gotten through half the year.
If your going to throw out an argument, at least make a halfassed attempt for a good one or I’m gonna make you look like the retard you are.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:07 pm to blueboxer1119
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I support his constitutional rights.
He has no constitutional rights for what he’s doing.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:13 pm to ZIGG
He sounds like Lindsay Graham. Not that there's anything wrong with that
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:16 pm to iAmBatman
What if he was serving bad wine that was killing 1 in 500 people? What about 1 in 100? Should he have the right to continue to do that because Jesus served wine?
All I’m saying is there is obviously a line where other laws supersede “his constitutional rights”. I’m not saying for sure that is the case here, but to act like there shouldn’t be a debate is ridiculous.
All I’m saying is there is obviously a line where other laws supersede “his constitutional rights”. I’m not saying for sure that is the case here, but to act like there shouldn’t be a debate is ridiculous.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:35 pm to ZIGG
Dark shirt with a light colored suit is trashy looking. Is it short sleeved too?
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:47 pm to LouisianaLady
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Spell draws many congregants from low-income communities of color, and he says he turns no one away - even if they're gay, something he inveighs against. But he also reserves contempt for church regulars who don't share at least 10% of their income. Such a person is ''a thief,'' whether the person has a job or survives on food stamps. Spell warns attendees: ''You're not going to come up in here and suck up our air conditioning for free without paying for it.''
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How far do offerings go? It's not cheap for Spell to hold services every Sunday and Tuesday, to feed hundreds of attendees, to maintain dozens of buses and a 34-acre campus. Life Tabernacle does it through ''tithings and offerings,'' according to Spell. Life Tabernacle has also dabbled in real estate over decades. Primarily under Bervick Spell, the church bought and sold property, at times offering owner financing. Often, Bervick Spell would buy property and flip it, though the profits were rarely spectacular. Before becoming a fulltime minister, he had operated a Piggly Wiggly in Eunice; later, he ran Lifeway bookstores. ''Bishop Spell was a very astute businessman,'' said Edwin Wildman, a former church board member. Zachary City Court Judge Lonny Myles said Bervick Spell, an old friend, completed the church's capstone deal in 2004. He sold Life Tabernacle's Plank Road property - built up with houses of worship and book warehouses - to another church for $4.6 million. ''He probably got twice what anyone else would have paid for it,'' Myles said. ''He did a great job.'' The property's current owners, who declined to comment, are still making $24,582 monthly payments to Life Tabernacle. Around the same time, the church took out a multimilliondollar mortgage on its new property to finance the new church's construction. Tony Spell lives there, in a modest house with a swimming pool owned by the church. He shares a Nissan Rogue with his wife. Tony Spell estimated the church's properties are worth $12 million, but he declined to disclose the value of all of its assets.
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Spell said Life Tabernacle has also loaned money to hundreds of aspiring pastors. ''The borrower is serving to the lender; that's biblical,'' he said. ''If I don't make a profit, I'm a fool. What do I make a profit for? To in turn subsidize other people.'' Unlike other nonprofits, churches are not required to disclose where their money comes from, what they spend it on and how much they pay top employees. Spell says he draws an annual salary of just $48,000 from the church, and he is its only employee. But, he also said however he spends the church's money is between him and God, and that pastors should not apologize for driving luxury cars and owning private jets - though he has no plans to do either.
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Philip Hackney, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh who used to oversee tax-exempt organizations at the Internal Revenue Service, said nonprofits generally pay no income taxes. In Louisiana, churches are also exempt from property taxes. Johnson, the California history professor, said pastors of independent churches like Spell's typically need a secondary source of income. Real estate is a common option. ''If you amass a lot of money from real estate, then what do you do with that cash is the question,'' Johnson said. Offering loans through the church, she said, could be a way to create a new income stream without running afoul of tax law.
There’s plenty of other items in there too that paint him in a less than glowing light.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:50 pm to blueboxer1119
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I support his constitutional rights.
I wish the Constitution were better taught in our schools. Let's start with what the Founding Fathers of our nation stated in the Declaration of Independence:
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Notice that the Right to Life is first on the list, and protecting it is the primary reason that we have a government.
All of our constitutional rights exist only insofar as they don't infringe on the rights of others. For example, you have the right to free speech, but you may not slander someone else, because doing so infringes on his rights.
Again, no other right takes precedence over protecting the right to life. In declaring a public health emergency, our leaders are asserting the need for the protection of that first right, the right to life, and it is entirely constitutional and proper for them to do so.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:06 pm to lucaslsu
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He’s married and doesn’t wear a ring
He wears another type of ring when he sleeps with his altar boys
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