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Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:21 pm to MrLSU
Id say this rules out the pool theory
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:24 pm to fightin tigers
What’s with all the cmu’s? I don’t get what they are doing.
I guess the roof plaza is all block walls but I thought I saw a bunch on other floors like a chain wall.
I guess the roof plaza is all block walls but I thought I saw a bunch on other floors like a chain wall.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:26 pm to Martini
That’s pretty common for rooftop mechanical or elevator equipment enclosures. You can see the penthouse steel on that level
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:28 pm to Martini
You mean blocks? 
I have not idea. Saw a lot of pictures of the inspections yesterday that had lots of block walls.
I have not idea. Saw a lot of pictures of the inspections yesterday that had lots of block walls.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:29 pm to fightin tigers
Concrete masonry units.
Blocks.
Blocks.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:33 pm to Martini
Probably mechanical equipment room or extension of the elevator shaft.
Regardless, palletized lightweight CMU are not that heavy. I venture to guess it would be doubtful to overload a properly designed structure with palletized lightweight CMU. Sand and gravel block? Maybe?
The construction loads shown in these pics are a fraction of what the structure should be designed to handle in its final state.
Regardless, palletized lightweight CMU are not that heavy. I venture to guess it would be doubtful to overload a properly designed structure with palletized lightweight CMU. Sand and gravel block? Maybe?
The construction loads shown in these pics are a fraction of what the structure should be designed to handle in its final state.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:34 pm to Martini
Yeah, it seemed they may have been used for fire walls and such. Didn't look at the elevations on the south side, but it seemed that they were used to some extent there on the lower floors.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:42 pm to Martini
They are pretty common in public areas. They use them for demising knee walls, planter walls, etc. If they were on the roof, I’m assuming they are using them for parapet walls around the parameter of the building.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:47 pm to BigPerm30
quote:yes I am. You said you have never seen one deconstructed. It happens all the time.
Are you really comparing a tower crane that’s 1,000 feet in the air to this one which is about 200 feet?
quote:ok brah. Go back to your cad work.
I like debating with intelligent people but you’re just ignorant and belligerent when you can’t admit you’re wrong.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:51 pm to BigPerm30
I don't know much about this stuff (I've learned a lot from this thread), but I've been watching this since the moment it happened.
Relevant curiosity here: how do they take down the jib and counterweight of a crane when a job like this is completed? Then do they lift out the sections of the vertical mast one by one from inside the structure?
Just something I thought about and became curious to know throughout this thread.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:52 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
yes I am. You said you have never seen one deconstructed. It happens all the time.
And I still haven’t seen one dismantled without an assist crane. You didn’t prove shite. You said they couldn’t reach this tower crane with a mobile crane and you were fricking dead wrong. So get out with that bull shite. Leave high rise construction to people who have done it their whole career.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:53 pm to CarRamrod
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the huge steel beam that is suspended in the air by the compromised crane. This does need any wind pushing and the only way to get that down is by allowing it collapse.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:54 pm to Martini
SIAP
I found this pic on twitter that someone took of the building the day before the collapse. (She tweeted it to Margaret Orr)
Twitter Link
I found this pic on twitter that someone took of the building the day before the collapse. (She tweeted it to Margaret Orr)
Twitter Link
quote:
Laura in Wonderland Autocorrect hates me!
@LauraBergerol
Going to make myself a toddy and eat. Bought myself lots of yummy things to tempt my appetite. Back in a bit.
In the mean time, look at this photo of #NOLA Hard Rock Cafe construction! I can't believe the size of this crane. Plus, the sky is gorgeous, isn't it, Margaret?
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:59 pm to AndyCBR
quote:
Probably mechanical equipment room or extension of the elevator shaft.
Regardless, palletized lightweight CMU are not that heavy. I venture to guess it would be doubtful to overload a properly designed structure with palletized lightweight CMU. Sand and gravel block? Maybe?
The construction loads shown in these pics are a fraction of what the structure should be designed to handle in its final state.
No it’s not the load it’s just an unusual design. Even elevator shafts use a lot of structural metal studs and shaft liner Sheetrock. And typical curtain wall parapet would be metal studs as well. Just a strange mix of design I guess in a structural steel building.
ETA what is at top right? I can’t figure that out-lower roof, looks like the Tpo roof system is in place but what is the dark area?
And I see the cmu around the pool.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:01 pm to BigPerm30
quote:you sound like a union man. Lol. With an attitude. How big are your truck nuts?
Leave high rise construction to people who have done it their whole career.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:03 pm to BigPerm30
quote:
And I still haven’t seen one dismantled without an assist crane. You didn’t prove shite. You said they couldn’t reach this tower crane with a mobile crane and you were fricking dead wrong. So get out with that bull shite. Leave high rise construction to people who have done it their whole career.
When they are this tall the assist crane leaves once the slewing unit, boom, and counterweights are placed on top of the lower mast at a lower height.
From there, the climbing section raises the crane with hydraulics 20 feet (typically) at a time and new sections of the tower are inserted.
This how they make lifts where heights are impossible to lift form the ground or not feasible due to limitations on the ground (room).
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:03 pm to Rox
The more photos I see the more I believe that there was a major faulty design or craftsmanship that is the culprit. Trigged by a small something (maybe a dumpster falling).
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:05 pm to Martini
The CMUs were for a curb on the roof. For what idk?
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 10:05 pm
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