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re: Parents of girl who died of measles in TX say it was God's will, and to avoid vaccination

Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:44 am to
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:44 am to
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The child had a rash and fever. Visited pediatrician Was prescribed fever reducing medication. 100% in line with protocol


So if you get measles, the protocol is treat with Tylenol and that’s it?
Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
3009 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:46 am to
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Did the family wait too long to actually go to see medical help or not?


in the interview the mother said she developed symptoms on Saturday and went to the doctors the Monday. the doctor didnt give any recommendations other than a cough suppressant and take tylenol for fever.

I'm uncertain they went back to the same doctor for the 3 other kids because that doctor recommended breathing treatments which the parents say helped the coughing. also its of note the mother says she was vaccinated as a child for mmr and caught the measles with the kids.

also, i've read the hospitals will mark you "unvaccinated" if you can not produce your immunization record. you may be telling them you took the vaccines, but they still wont mark you as vaccinated without the record. with technology in todays age you would think they could check your medical history to confirm it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111525 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:47 am to
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So if you get measles, the protocol is treat with Tylenol and that’s it?
What do you think the protocol is when someone presents only with a fever and rash for measles?

Rest
Symptom relief
Fluids
Fever reducing medication

It’s a virus man. That’s the reason vaccines are so cool for viruses
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23159 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:57 am to
AI is telling me that Vitamin A is a big part of this if you get it. Did doctors just think it was one of the many types of respiratory illnesses or did they actually know it was measles?

Let’s also take in the #s here. There are like 378 cases this year 2025 mostly in this one small area of Texas. The population of Tx is 31 million. There were 285 cases in all of US in 2024. In the last 20yrs the average seems around 150 cases in US with a few spikes along the way the biggest being in 2019 at 1300ish. There are 340 million people in the US. This isn’t anything thing to get worked up about imo.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111525 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:00 am to
Vitamin A is prescribed less than 50% of the time for measles in the US. It isn’t standard protocol.

When it is, it has loose correlation to helping extreme measles cases (hence once hospitalized)

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Let’s also take in the #s here. There are like 378 cases this year 2025 mostly in this one small area of Texas. The population of Tx is 31 million. There were 285 cases in all of US in 2024. In the last 20yrs the average seems around 150 cases in US with a few spikes along the way the biggest being in 2019 at 1300ish. There are 340 million people in the US. This isn’t anything thing to get worked up about imo.
Measles won’t kill many people. This is true

But it will kill more and more the less people are vaccinated. This is also true
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23159 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:07 am to
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Measles won’t kill many people. This is true But it will kill more and more the less people are vaccinated. This is also true


Ok but it still isn’t killing or infecting many people at all. This is also true. So is there really any problem or is this more fear porn. The medical community already has a black eye as far as trust goes based on what they did to people during Covid.

Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
3009 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:18 am to
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But it will kill more and more the less people are vaccinated. This is also true


Do you know that we have data from a time when there wasnt a measles vaccine? the survival rate before the vaccine was 99.9% and thats a time when 500k+ were being infected per year.

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Vitamin A is prescribed less than 50% of the time for measles in the US. It isn’t standard protocol.


this may be true in todays day and age, but the most common protocol before the vaccine was Vitamin A as recommended by WHO and CDC for decades before the vaccine.

measles went from being "a virus we can live with" to "if you dont take this vaccine you'll die."

our pediatrician straight up told my wife that if my kid doesnt get the jab she will be hospitalized as if to imply every kid who catches measles ends up in the hospital.

Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
19304 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:20 am to
Tsunami wipes out cities and kills thousands
-God’s will, god is great

Something good happens
-God’s will, god is great

I’m starting to think maybe god ain’t involved
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20103 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:21 am to
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’m starting to think maybe god ain’t involved


Man and mans decisions.

God gave us free will.

Does he intervene now and again, maybe.

Weather is weather.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 10:22 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111525 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:24 am to
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Do you know that we have data from a time when there wasnt a measles vaccine? the survival rate before the vaccine was 99.9% and thats a time when 500k+ were being infected per year.
So, as you stated, far more people were dying then than now from measles Exactly as I stated
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 10:26 am
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30526 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:25 am to
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Vitamin A is the main treatment for the virus


Stringing those words together in that order is a flashing billboard that you don't know jack about viruses. Justin Kruger and David Dunning got a chill when you hit send.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
10189 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:29 am to
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For added details on this case - below is an assessment by a doctor who reviewed the hospital records.


Oh, the doctor who was a primary pusher of Ivermectin for COVID? Resigned from his job because of it? Yeah, nice source.
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
14053 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:29 am to
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Ok but it still isn’t killing or infecting many people at all. This is also true. So is there really any problem or is this more fear porn. The medical community already has a black eye as far as trust goes based on what they did to people during Covid.



Ugh, you do realize there are also serious complications that can occur short of death:

quote:

Pneumonia. Measles can commonly cause an infection in the lungs (pneumonia). People with weakened immune systems can develop an especially dangerous type of pneumonia that sometimes can lead to death.
Encephalitis. About 1 in 1,000 people with measles can develop a complication called encephalitis. Encephalitis is irritation and swelling (inflammation) of the brain. The condition can be especially dangerous for people with weakened immune systems. Encephalitis may occur right after measles, or it might not occur until months later. Encephalitis can cause permanent brain damage.


Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
3009 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:34 am to
i admire your confidence in your stupidity. its easy to see you didnt do a lick of research on the topic.


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5.3 Immediate administration of vitamin A
Children

Vitamin A should be administered to all acute measles patients under 5 years of age, irrespective of the
timing of previous doses of vitamin A.
Most patients with measles, even in developed countries, have laboratory or clinical evidence of vitamin A
deficiency.
Reduced blood levels of vitamin A may be partially due to the acute phase response that occurs
during infection (8). However, low blood levels of vitamin A are associated with more severe measles illness
and complications, especially ophthalmologic disease.




its hard to see but maybe you can pick out the main point of the quote.


WHO guidelines

ETA: i left off the most important part that pertains to this conversation

quote:

Two doses of vitamin A are recommended for all suspected measles cases in children under 5 years of age,
immediately on diagnosis and repeated the next day, according to the dosing indicated in Table 5.2 (9). This
treatment has been shown to reduce overall mortality in children (10,11) and pneumonia-specific mortality
in children with measles under 2 years of age
(10).
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 10:49 am
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23044 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:35 am to
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Ugh, you do realize there are also serious complications that can occur short of death:


Yeah but don't you understand that if you get measles then die of pneumonia, you didn't die of measles? Duh
Posted by Tr33fiddy
Hog Jaw, Arkansas (it exists)
Member since Aug 2023
1971 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:35 am to
I've met a lot of Mennonite families. What happened here is awful but it was very common less than 100 years ago which is how they choose to live thier lives. Honestly they are the most reasonable and well adjusted communities I've ever been around.

We really don't have any ground to criticize here given the trajectory of modern families. Modern society has people chemically altering themselves and chopping off their genitals in order to pretend to be a different gender.

A child dying of measles seems a hell of a lot more normal than what modern life has done to humanity.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23044 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:39 am to
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We really don't have any ground to criticize here given the trajectory of modern families. Modern society has people chemically altering themselves and chopping off their genitals in order to pretend to be a different gender.

A child dying of measles seems a hell of a lot more normal than what modern life has done to humanity.


"Some people let their kids be trans so dying of measles really isn't that bad" isn't a bar I'm willing to set. Just because some people do insane shite doesn't mean I have to accept innocent kids dying of easily preventable diseases.
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
14053 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:47 am to
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Yeah but don't you understand that if you get measles then die of pneumonia, you didn't die of measles? Duh

WTF? If she hadn't contracted Measles she wouldn't have gotten pneumonia!
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23159 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:51 am to
Dude 378 cases out of 340million people. If you shrink it down to just Texas where the majority of the cases are that 32 million people.

This is NOT something to get worked up about or threaten to take someone’s kids away.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111525 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:53 am to
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Dude 378 cases out of 340million people.
And why do you think there’s so few cases now? Compared to say, oh I don’t know, anytime before 1960?
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 10:54 am
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