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re: Outrage alert: White woman hunts a giraffe in Africa, so you know what happens next
Posted on 7/3/18 at 8:00 pm to DeafJam73
Posted on 7/3/18 at 8:00 pm to DeafJam73
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Last part is probably true. But you really call a guy who likes to hunt someone with a character flaw?
If his primary motivation for taking life is to derive pleasure and satisfaction from killing an animal, yes, I think it's fair to call it a character flaw, in my opinion, obviously. You can say a lot worse about a person than to claim he has a character flaw. We all have them.
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I think that’s pretty short sighted.
Agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 8:03 pm
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 8:04 pm to northshorebamaman
I’ll leave it at that then.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 8:08 pm to northshorebamaman
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But I've always been told that deer in the US needed to be hunted due to overpopulation. Is that not true?
Correct. If you don't control them via hunting you open yourself up to a whole host of human-animal contact issues.
There are more deer in North America right now than there were at the time of European contact. There was a time just a few generations ago when the deer herd was really struggling. The rebound in population is because of the North American model of conservation. Through selective hunting harvest and the funds generated by self imposed taxes on hunting items and license sales, the deer rebounded.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 8:09 pm to HotKoolaid
thanks 
Posted on 7/3/18 at 8:22 pm to northshorebamaman
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A character flaw, at the least.
A character flaw? An instinct that has existed in mankind for thousands of years is a character flaw?
Posted on 7/3/18 at 8:35 pm to Cowboyfan89
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A character flaw? An instinct that has existed in mankind for thousands of years is a character flaw?
It was instinctive because it provided food. I clearly stated my position above. I have no problem with hunting for food. Hunting primarily for deriving pleasure from killing is where I take issue.
And in any case, a number of instinctual behaviors are considered repellent and even illegal in modern times, so that's not a strong point to me.
I also find it funny that you guys are so hung up on "character flaw". I only chose that description because I was trying to be nice.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 9:00 pm to northshorebamaman
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Hunting primarily for deriving pleasure from killing is where I take issue.
This I agree with. That and people who kill an animal and waste meat.
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I also find it funny that you guys are so hung up on "character flaw".
Because you described every hunter as having a "character flaw". Sorry if I take issue with someone referring to a trait that societies were built on as a "flaw".
Hunters aren't exactly the members of society that I would classify as having a character flaw based on how they obtain food.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 9:04 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Because you described every hunter as having a "character flaw".
No I didn't. For the third time, I described hunters that kill primarily for pleasure, and not for meat, as having a character flaw. You even agreed with me above.
quote:Is a-hole better? I'll just go with that.
Sorry if I take issue with someone referring to a trait that societies were built on as a "flaw".
Posted on 7/3/18 at 9:13 pm to northshorebamaman
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No I didn't. For the third time, I described hunters that kill primarily for pleasure, and not for meat, as having a character flaw. You even agreed with me above.
Hmmm....
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Deer hunting. We live in the 21st century. It’s rather unnecessary to hunt for deer. Are all those guys hunting for sport terrible people?
A character flaw, at the least. But I've always been told that deer in the US needed to be hunted due to overpopulation. Is that not true?
Doesn't seem very specific to the type of hunter you were referring to. Seemed to he in response to all sport hunters.
I can agree with that though. And yeah, you are being a bit nice in describing someone that derives pleasure from killing anything as having a character flaw. Not even sure a-hole is adequate.
I hunt, but not because I enjoy killing animals. It's a complicated emotion associated with taking an animal's life in order to feed my family. Any real hunter I've ever known or had the privilege to listen to has some level of remorse in taking a life. I've yet to hear someone actually be able to put adequate words to that feeling. It's remorse; it's satisfaction in accomplishing something; it's the joy of sharing that life with people you care about.
If someone doesn't feel that, if all it is is the thrill of the kill...yeah, character flaw isn't the right term for that.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 9:15 pm to CockyTime
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No need to kill an innocent giraffe.
"Innocent? Innocent of what?"
Posted on 7/3/18 at 9:23 pm to Cowboyfan89
You should follow the whole conversation. He asked if I thought that about deer hunters in the US and my response was "depends on the motivation". You quoted his second question where he (erroneously) asserted that there was no reason to hunt deer in the US. I was responding to his hypothetical and specific question in the response you quoted.
This doesn't bother me in the least.
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I hunt, but not because I enjoy killing animals. It's a complicated emotion associated with taking an animal's life in order to feed my family. Any real hunter I've ever known or had the privilege to listen to has some level of remorse in taking a life. I've yet to hear someone actually be able to put adequate words to that feeling. It's remorse; it's satisfaction in accomplishing something; it's the joy of sharing that life with people you care about.
This doesn't bother me in the least.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 9:26 pm to GetCocky11
Yeah this thread doesn’t get anchored but
Posted on 7/3/18 at 9:26 pm to northshorebamaman
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You should follow the whole conversation. He asked if I thought that about deer hunters in the US and my response was "depends on the motivation". You quoted his second question where he (erroneously) asserted that there was no reason to hunt deer in the US. I was responding to his hypothetical and specific question in the response you quoted.
This is like a 20 something page thread...not going back to find those posts...lol.
I'll take your word on it.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 9:37 pm to GetCocky11
I take issue with the use of the term "hunter" and any inference that skill was required to kill this animal. I once lived in Kenya spending most of my spare time following, and photographing animals. The giraffe, elephant, rino, lion, wilderbeast, impala, etc require about the same skill level to find and kill as going to a pasture and shooting a cow.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:20 pm to EA6B
I don’t see any problem with this kill at all.
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