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re: OTD in 1914: Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie were assassinated
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:30 am to Bluefin
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:30 am to Bluefin
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Bluefin
While I think that picture is pretty funny, it’s not completely fair to the US. We were bankrolling Britain, France and Russia. But especially Britain.
This post was edited on 6/28/18 at 11:31 am
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Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:31 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Go listen to blueprint for Armageddon if you haven’t
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:32 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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also the Tzar might still be controlling Russia
The marginalization of the Tzar was already in progress prior to WW1. But I suppose it is possible that he could still be there as a constitutional monarch if WW1 hadn't happened.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:33 am to fr33manator
I’ve probably listened to the series 4-5 times.
I listen to it probably once every 6 or so months.
I listen to it probably once every 6 or so months.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:36 am to TigerFanInSouthland
The war was happening.. Europe was transitioning away from imperialism and a breakup of empires.. The industrial revolution and all the new toys brought to the battlefield made this inevitable
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:42 am to TigerFanInSouthland
If only Ferdinand had been killed months earlier in a hunting accident with with Duke of Portland in Nottinghamshire, England
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During his stay the Archduke had a brush with death which could have turned these later events on their head.
As recalled in his memoirs Men, Women and Things, the Duke of Portland was out shooting pheasants with Franz Ferdinand when:
"One of the loaders fell down. This caused both barrels of the gun he was carrying to be discharged, the shot passing within a few feet of the archduke and myself.
"I have often wondered whether the Great War might not have been averted, or at least postponed, had the archduke met his death then and not at Sarajevo the following year."
Despite the narrow escape, the couple stayed for a week before continuing their travels.
On 28 June 1914, during a visit to the Bosnian capital, Franz Ferdinand and Duchess Sophie were shot dead by nationalist Gavrilo Princip.
This post was edited on 6/28/18 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:43 am to GetCocky11
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The marginalization of the Tzar was already in progress prior to WW1. But I suppose it is possible that he could still be there as a constitutional monarch if WW1 hadn't happened.
I’ll say this, Tzar Nicholas didn’t even want the job, he knew he wasn’t a good man for the job and Russia had been a powder keg for a long time on its last legs.
This post was edited on 6/28/18 at 11:44 am
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:45 am to rt3
Don’t forget it sped up the demise of the Ottoman Empire which threw the ME into the chaos it’s still in and of course the whole Israel issue... all WW1
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:47 am to GetCocky11
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The marginalization of the Tzar was already in progress prior to WW1. But I suppose it is possible that he could still be there as a constitutional monarch if WW1 hadn't happened.
Very true. I was moreso thinking that it's possible there is no Bolchevik revolution. Which is partially what pitted the US and USSR against one another in the first place.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:48 am to RandySavage
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Don’t forget it sped up the demise of the Ottoman Empire which threw the ME into the chaos it’s still in and of course the whole Israel issue... all WW1
Lawrence of Arabia was a real person... and made a lot of promises he couldn't keep
This post was edited on 6/28/18 at 11:49 am
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:49 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Without WW2, the state of Israel likely doesn't get created. Tensions in the middle East wouldn't be where they are today.
Hell, maybe 9-11 doesn't happen.
Hell, maybe 9-11 doesn't happen.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:51 am to LordSaintly
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Without WW2, the state of Israel likely doesn't get created. Tensions in the middle East wouldn't be where they are today.
It is possible that Israel still happens. The influx of jews into Palestine with western backing started in WW1. Jewish leaders alligned themselves with Britain largely with this purpose in mind.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:52 am to TigerFanInSouthland
And then ...
The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I, was around 40 million. There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians.
In the end, around 4,000,000 soldiers were mobilized and 116,708 American military personnel died during World War 1 from all causes (influenza, combat and wounds). Over 204,000 were wounded and 757 U.S. civilians died due to military action.
The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I, was around 40 million. There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians.
In the end, around 4,000,000 soldiers were mobilized and 116,708 American military personnel died during World War 1 from all causes (influenza, combat and wounds). Over 204,000 were wounded and 757 U.S. civilians died due to military action.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:53 am to rt3
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Lawrence of Arabia was a real person... and made a lot of promises he couldn't keep
He had the best of intentions but got little to no support from his government once the war was won and they didn't need the Ottoman's anymore.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:54 am to athenslife101
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The sad thing is, there had been an attempt on his life earlier in the day and he was going to the hospital to see the injuries from that attack when he was killed.
Craziest coincidence in modern human history.
Car breaks down right next to one of the guys who previously failed to kill them.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:55 am to RandySavage
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He had the best of intentions but got little to no support from his government once the war was won and they didn't need the Ottoman's anymore.
I have no doubt his intentions were pure... just the problems started to manifest
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:55 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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It's impossible to imagine. If WW1 doesnt happen, then WW2 doesn't happen; also the Tzar might still be controlling Russia, which negates the cold war. If WW2 doesn't happen, then the US doesn't create the bomb, the US doesn't skyrocket to super power status, the old guard would still be of much importance.
The ottomans are also sitting on the fattest stack of oil in the world.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 12:01 pm to athenslife101
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WEI was always going to happen. Whether it was in 1914 or 1924, everyone saw it coming.
Actually that's not entirely true. The prevailing thought at that time that a general European war between major powers was impossible due to how interwoven they'd become from an economic standpoint. For all their military rivalries the major powers of Europe were very much tied together via trade. For example Germany was a major trading partner to Great Britain, at time perhaps their largest trading partner other than the US.
When the heir to the Austro-Hungarian crown was killed in 1914, most Europeans thought what was to come was another localized Balkan War similar to the ones that had been fought numerous times, including one just one year prior.
This post was edited on 6/28/18 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 6/28/18 at 12:08 pm to Darth_Vader
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The prevailing thought at that time that a general European war between major powers was impossible due to how interwoven they'd become from an economic standpoint.
plus the fact that all of the monarchs in Europe at the time were related in 1 way or another
I believe the King of England & the German Kaiser were cousins
Posted on 6/28/18 at 12:11 pm to Darth_Vader
His dying words,
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As reported by Count Harrach, Franz Ferdinand's last words were "Sophie, Sophie! Don't die! Live for our children!" followed by six or seven utterances of "It is nothing," in response to Harrach's inquiry as to Franz Ferdinand's injury.
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