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re: OT Theologists: give OT brief difference b/t Christian denominations
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:43 am to HempHead
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:43 am to HempHead
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Orthodoxy has very, very similar sacraments and magisterium to Roman Catholicism but parish priests are almost always married with several children.
I have a lot of respect for the Orthodox church.
And even though I'm not formally a part of it, I adopted use of their Jesus Prayer practice a long time ago and still use it.
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Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:44 am to NewIberiaHaircut
quote:this, become a pastor and nail one of the music directors - female or male - don't matter
Sounds like non-denominational is what you're looking for. From what I understand, it's all of the feel good with none of the guilt.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:44 am to epbart
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And even though I'm not formally a part of it, I adopted use of their Jesus Prayer practice a long time ago and still use it.
The monks at Mt. Athos never cease saying it out loud or in their mind.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:47 am to nawlinsbrah
You want me to disprove your baseless opinion that all Baptist and Non-denominational churches are full of simpletons?
Only a simpleton would subscribe to gross generalizations of people he has never met.
Only a simpleton would subscribe to gross generalizations of people he has never met.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:54 am to HempHead
Most I've done is between an hour or two hours straight. If done in the spirit of it, it really does have a great cleansing, uplifting effect. I had one very interesting experience with it once, but this isn't the right forum to post it.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:54 am to bamafan1001
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You want me to disprove your baseless opinion that all Baptist and Non-denominational churches are full of simpletons?
Generally speaking, in Louisiana, that is accurate. Sure, you could point out some 1% exceptions but I've attended these churches all across the state for the past 20 years and yes they generally are. Whether viewing simpletons as a good or bad thing is certainly relative. We can learn from ALL human beings, regardless of their views.
However, in my opinion, I'd prefer to surround myself with more critical thinking minded folks at my place of worship.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:02 am to bamafan1001
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I realize you just started this thread to troll, but for those out there actually interested, 1) read your Bible 2) find a Bible based church
Therein lies the problem. All 30,000 + Protestant denominations use the Bible to validate their beliefs. All of them think their interpretation is the correct one. It's the Pandora's Box opened by Luther, Calvin, Knox, Zwingli et al. If you want true historic Christianity, you can choose Catholicism or Orthodoxy. Everything else is man made and, to some degree, heretical.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 11:03 am
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:04 am to bamafan1001
I would be interested in a church that was more gospel and little or no epistle.
The modern church's reliance on Paul is the equivalent of turning an entire corporation over to the marketing department.
The modern church's reliance on Paul is the equivalent of turning an entire corporation over to the marketing department.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:13 am to AUveritas
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All of them think their interpretation is the correct one.
What has the Church of Christ or Baptists interpreted that is wrong? I really don't see where the Bible leaves much room for interpretation. Unfortunately, some denominations only want to follow certain parts of it.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:14 am to nawlinsbrah
I havent attended any churches in LA but ive attended 8 different non-denominational churches between AL, TX, and CO. Two I didnt agree with idealogically because they werent truly Bible based, but at none of these churches were there simpletons. Most of these churches had highly intelligent pastors who were very well studied.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:17 am to AUveritas
As opposed to Catholics who make up their own bible and rules.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:33 am to bamafan1001
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As opposed to Catholics who make up their own bible and rules.
A quick history lesson: the Catholic Church made up your Bible too. Guess you're more Catholic than you knew.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 11:34 am
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:36 am to tigersbh
That baptism and communion are symbolic. Sola fide. Sola scriptura. Their eschatology. I could go on for pages.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:38 am to nawlinsbrah
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Perhaps I should ask more specifically, what's everyone's opinion (good/bad) on Presbyterian, Methodist, Episcopalian? I feel like I fit somewhere in one of these.
Methodist has a higher rate of pedophilia than Catholicism if that helps any
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:42 am to bamafan1001
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As opposed to Catholics who make up their own bible and rules.
Wow, I guess we found out who the simpleton was after all.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 12:46 pm to nawlinsbrah
I'm not a church goer, but am friends with the priest from my town's Presbyterian Church. They have it right. He has invited me to his church, but never tried long talks to convert me to anything. He is married with a kid. The church pays him a modest salary and has large expectations of him, not to raise money, but to serve the local neighborhood. He does have to worry some about membership numbers, but that is any group. It is ran more like a service group then a money tree like most churches.
They are temp housing numerous groups for flood volunteer work and have agreed to for the next two years, take a trip to another country to help yearly, Host boyscouts, etc etc etc. Truly good people that I only hear talking about helping others, what should be the true role of the church in my opinion.
They are temp housing numerous groups for flood volunteer work and have agreed to for the next two years, take a trip to another country to help yearly, Host boyscouts, etc etc etc. Truly good people that I only hear talking about helping others, what should be the true role of the church in my opinion.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 1:55 pm to AUveritas
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A quick history lesson: the Catholic Church made up your Bible too. Guess you're more Catholic than you knew.
No, they didnt. The Bible was inspired by God and is in its current state because of God.
There was an early church that splintered when sects began to become corrupt. Infallibility of the pope, selling indulgences, excommunication, forbidding priests from marriage, praying to saints...the list goes on.
The Catholic Church is a corrupt sect that was not the early church but a splintering of it. History has shown us that the Catholic Church has perverted scripture and in cases ignored it for the personal gain of their leaders, hence why Martin Luther came about.
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Matthew 7:16
Posted on 12/4/16 at 2:14 pm to bamafan1001
The Catholic Church did compile the Bible. It's historical fact. Stick your head in the sand all you want: it doesn't change incontrovertible historic facts.
There was an early Church that split. It was Orthodoxy and Catholicism. You really should crack open a history book. You're just making yourself look foolish. Once again, it's historical fact.
Luther? You mean the heretic that removed 7 books from the OT? That wanted to remove Hebrews and James from the NT because it proved his theology was heretical? The anti-Semite that enjoyed eating his own feces? That's who founded your church.
Lastly, I know you have no idea about indulgences, papal infallibility and praying to saints. You flashed your ignorance so impressively in just a few sentences, I know you have no desire to know the truth. Your beliefs are far more important to you than any truth. For instance, did you know that Revelation (5:8) states the saints hear our prayers in heaven? That papal infallibility doesn't imply perfection? That you've proudly bestowed infallibility on your own interpretations (something you think is impossible for someone else, apparently)?
I get that when truth and facts prove your beliefs wrong, it's a scary thing. Maybe you'll realize one day that you should confirm your beliefs to the facts and not the other way around.
There was an early Church that split. It was Orthodoxy and Catholicism. You really should crack open a history book. You're just making yourself look foolish. Once again, it's historical fact.
Luther? You mean the heretic that removed 7 books from the OT? That wanted to remove Hebrews and James from the NT because it proved his theology was heretical? The anti-Semite that enjoyed eating his own feces? That's who founded your church.
Lastly, I know you have no idea about indulgences, papal infallibility and praying to saints. You flashed your ignorance so impressively in just a few sentences, I know you have no desire to know the truth. Your beliefs are far more important to you than any truth. For instance, did you know that Revelation (5:8) states the saints hear our prayers in heaven? That papal infallibility doesn't imply perfection? That you've proudly bestowed infallibility on your own interpretations (something you think is impossible for someone else, apparently)?
I get that when truth and facts prove your beliefs wrong, it's a scary thing. Maybe you'll realize one day that you should confirm your beliefs to the facts and not the other way around.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 2:50 pm to AUveritas
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That's who founded your church.
Jesus Christ founded my church
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Lastly, I know you have no idea about indulgences, papal infallibility and praying to saints.
Interesting, so is doctrine declared by the pope considered dogma?
No where in the New Testament does it instruct us to pray to saints or to ask for their intercession? The passage in Revelations referring to elders offering up prayers is certainly not instructive, it also doesnt even say the elders are saints as we think of it. Who determines these "saints."
Indulgences are a creation of man, period. The catholic church DID sell indulgences at one point.
We are all sinners, the pope included and only Christ can forgive our sins through grace. There is no earning salvation because Christ himself said none are good except God.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 2:59 pm to bamafan1001
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Jesus Christ founded my church
Not unless you're contending Jesus was still around 500 years ago.
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Interesting, so is doctrine declared by the pope considered dogma?
Depends.
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No where in the New Testament does it instruct us to pray to saints or to ask for their intercession? The passage in Revelations referring to elders offering up prayers is certainly not instructive, it also doesnt even say the elders are saints as we think of it. Who determines these "saints."
It's certainly clear that someone besides God in Heaven hears prayers and carries them to God.
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Indulgences are a creation of man, period. The catholic church DID sell indulgences at one point.
Wrong. In fact, the Pope attacked the practice.
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We are all sinners, the pope included and only Christ can forgive our sins through grace. There is no earning salvation because Christ himself said none are good except God.
The Catholic Church teaches the same thing. You're tilting at windmills that aren't there.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 3:00 pm
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