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re: OT lawyers: is Tony Stewart going to go to jail?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:19 pm to Beauw
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:19 pm to Beauw
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Does common sense not exist anymore? It is a car race for God's sake, stay in the damn car until the yellow flag comes out. The guy got out of his vehicle with cars coming at him at very high speeds.... at night.
How could anyone think Stewart would intentionally kill a guy. Yes he has to live with it but it was a horrible accident.
If you listen to the audio of the video and look at the speed of the other cars passing Kevin, it is pretty clear that the Yellow was out.
You can also clearly hear an acceleration right as Tony's car was next to Kevin.
I don't think Tony intentionally killed Kevin.
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:20 pm to Grassy1
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You can also clearly hear an acceleration right as Tony's car was next to Kevin.
Were there no other cars on the track (especially closer to the camera)?
You have no idea which car made what noise. I thought you were only dealing with facts?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:21 pm to Grassy1
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But I don't doubt at all that Tony knew he ran the guy into the wall.
But you have no way of KNOWING this.
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And immediately after that the yellow light flashed on.
Your ignorance is your undoing.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:22 pm to RedRifle
From the video I saw it looked like the other guy got out of his car and got infront of Stewart. Just seconds before he was hit he had to dodge another car. I don't know what Stewart did prior to entering the frame but the other guy..Darwin got him.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:23 pm to TigerFred
I'm trying to remember any driver literally running that close to a moving race car.
Plenty of helmet-throws and fistfights after the car stopped, but I just can't recall a guy getting that close to car on the track.
Plenty of helmet-throws and fistfights after the car stopped, but I just can't recall a guy getting that close to car on the track.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:24 pm to Grassy1
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You can also clearly hear an acceleration right as Tony's car was next to Kevin.
YES! But the camera and therefore the microphone werren't near the accident, they were elsewhere on the track.
It's like hearing a person scream during a football highlite filmed from the stands, do you think the scream is from the tackler? NO It's from someone right next to the camera.
IMO the acceleration noise was from a closer car to the camera. It's WAY WAY too audible.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:28 pm to Traveler
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Unless another video surfaces
Reports are that the sheriff has more videos. Even with those nothing will show T.S. making his way around the track before K.W. got out of his car and with an obvious case of track rage.
I certainly can't stop people from joining in on this discussion but the ones with no racing experience are blatantly obvious.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:29 pm to Grassy1
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If you listen to the audio of the video and look at the speed of the other cars passing Kevin, it is pretty clear that the Yellow was out.
How about this then; stay in the freaking car until the safety crew reaches you or unless you feel your life is in danger.
They need to fine the frick out of anyone that gets out of their car for any other reason.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:29 pm to TigerFanatic99
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8. Tony could easily anticipate the guy getting out and shaking his fist.
hold on. Explain this one. How many bumps like this are there in racing? How many of those involve the wrecked driver getting out of his car at the top of the live track and walk into traffic to make a scene?
No one on earth could have "easily anticipated" him doing that.
It's not that rare:
Tony on the track
Tony on the track again
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:29 pm to Grassy1
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You can also clearly hear an acceleration right as Tony's car was next to Kevin.
But you can't tell which car is making the noise.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:31 pm to Grassy1
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It's not that rare:
Post two links. This has been beaten to death. It is statistically very rare. That is an actual fact, and not an opinion.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:36 pm to LNCHBOX
Two links of TONY on the track...
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:37 pm to Grassy1
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Two links of TONY on the track...
And how many total times has Tony participated in races compared to the number of on track incidents?
Again, statistically very rare occurrence. Fact.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:38 pm to Grassy1
Even with that though, Tony doesn't run right up to the car, he throws the helmet.
(He does get some of Kenny when Kenny gets stopped)
To think a guy would run up to an open-wheel car is kind of stretching it, IMO.
(He does get some of Kenny when Kenny gets stopped)
To think a guy would run up to an open-wheel car is kind of stretching it, IMO.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:40 pm to LNCHBOX
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And how many total times has Tony participated in races compared to the number of on track incidents? Again, statistically very rare occurrence. Fact.
It's probably even very rare compared to the number of incidents Tony has caused.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:41 pm to Redbone
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I certainly can't stop people from joining in on this discussion
Well that's reassuring to all of us.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:41 pm to N2cars
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To think a guy would run up to an open-wheel car is kind of stretching it, IMO.
This. Big difference . Also daylght and bright orange fricking drivers suit helps compared to this situation.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:42 pm to LNCHBOX
Based on your self-proclaimed knowledge of racing...
Should we also assume that you are also somewhat familiar with the personality of Tony Stewart?
If so, would you find it out of character for Mr. Stewart to see how close he could get to a driver trying to show him up at a podunk little dirt track? Maybe even bump out of the way, or throw some dirt on him?
Or would you find that highly unusual for Mr. Stewart's personality?
Should we also assume that you are also somewhat familiar with the personality of Tony Stewart?
If so, would you find it out of character for Mr. Stewart to see how close he could get to a driver trying to show him up at a podunk little dirt track? Maybe even bump out of the way, or throw some dirt on him?
Or would you find that highly unusual for Mr. Stewart's personality?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:44 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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What TS did was wrong and he has to live with that burden forever.
This is how I see it as well. I don't think he will do any sort of jail time at all, but it is my opinion that he sort of tried to buzz the tower at that kid and accidentally hit him. I know the kid was certainly an idiot for getting out and walking in harm's way, but you can't make me believe that Tony Stewart didn't see the kid.
What sucks the most is that the idiot cameraman follows the wrong car when he should've been focused on TS's car since obviously that was the one the kid was going after. Had he done that, we'd have a much better picture of what happened.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:45 pm to Grassy1
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would you find it out of character for Mr. Stewart to see how close he could get to a driver trying to show him up at a podunk little dirt track? Maybe even bump out of the way, or throw some dirt on him?
Not at all. But if that was his intention that would have been what would have happened. Not this dude getting under his rear tire.
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