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re: OT lawyers: is Tony Stewart going to go to jail?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:59 am to Beauw
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:59 am to Beauw
Fire hazard will raise question about the "stay in the car" rule after wrecking. Obviously this wreck was very mild and there wasn't much risk of it but I'd probably get out as soon as possible after wrecking also.
Running down the track is a different story.
Running down the track is a different story.
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:22 pm to Beauw
I find it interesting how everyone commenting has formed a concrete opinion.
It can easily be argued either way, but one would need to see more evidence than the video I've seen to form an opinion.
The sheriff is on the air right now asking the public for any other videos.
Best facts I know of:
1. Driver shouldn't have exited car on a hot track.
2. Drivers do this all the time, including Tony Stewart.
3. Four cars drove by him before Tony drove by him and hit him.
4. Tony has displayed his actions of temper by the dozens.
5. Track was not as well lit as a Sprint Cup track is.
6. Tony has been on poorly lit tracks his entire life.
7. Tony let his car drift up and push the guy's car into the wall.
8. Tony could easily anticipate the guy getting out and shaking his fist. Edit: My opinion, not fact)
9. Tony's nickname is Smoke.
10. Driver was wearing a black fire suit, with white lettering.
11. Tony would not appreciate being shown up by some 20 year old driver.
12. Said driver is dead.
13. Tony wishes he'd handled this differently.
14. Tony fans seem to be standing firmly by his side, and "know he wouldn't do this."
15. It takes a lot of evidence to charge someone in a sporting event.
16. No doubt, Tony did not intend to kill the guy, as that would be very distracting to his life.
17. We do not know Tony's intent. Edit: Other than, he didn't intend to kill the guy.
How can you form such a concrete opinion either way at this point?
It can easily be argued either way, but one would need to see more evidence than the video I've seen to form an opinion.
The sheriff is on the air right now asking the public for any other videos.
Best facts I know of:
1. Driver shouldn't have exited car on a hot track.
2. Drivers do this all the time, including Tony Stewart.
3. Four cars drove by him before Tony drove by him and hit him.
4. Tony has displayed his actions of temper by the dozens.
5. Track was not as well lit as a Sprint Cup track is.
6. Tony has been on poorly lit tracks his entire life.
7. Tony let his car drift up and push the guy's car into the wall.
8. Tony could easily anticipate the guy getting out and shaking his fist. Edit: My opinion, not fact)
9. Tony's nickname is Smoke.
10. Driver was wearing a black fire suit, with white lettering.
11. Tony would not appreciate being shown up by some 20 year old driver.
12. Said driver is dead.
13. Tony wishes he'd handled this differently.
14. Tony fans seem to be standing firmly by his side, and "know he wouldn't do this."
15. It takes a lot of evidence to charge someone in a sporting event.
16. No doubt, Tony did not intend to kill the guy, as that would be very distracting to his life.
17. We do not know Tony's intent. Edit: Other than, he didn't intend to kill the guy.
How can you form such a concrete opinion either way at this point?
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:25 pm to Grassy1
quote:
Tony could easily anticipate the guy getting out and shaking his fist.
False not a fact
He may have not even know that Kevin was the reason for the caution.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:28 pm to Grassy1
quote:
12. Said driver is dead.
WTF happened to Boris?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:33 pm to TigerFred
quote:
quote:
Tony could easily anticipate the guy getting out and shaking his fist.
False not a fact
He may have not even know that Kevin was the reason for the caution.
So, you think Tony is one of the top 10 drivers in the world and didn't know that he ran the guy into to wall, and the guy might get out pissed?
Really?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:36 pm to Grassy1
quote:
Grassy1
No one bust TS knows if Tony saw Ward on the track.
Ward could see Tony's car. He even pointed at it while walking in its path.
The purse for 1st place was less than $2000.
Driver's at that level aren't exactly thrilled when someone with Tony's level of talent with the best equipment racing for "their" money.
Tony can wreck a sprint car and throw it away. Drivers like Ward wreck a car and it's a financial burden.
Ward had more motive to be angry, and behaved in an angry manner.
Ward got too close to that right rear tire that has no fender.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:37 pm to Grassy1
That is your opinion. It is not fact.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:38 pm to Grassy1
quote:So tony saw out of his invisible rear view mirrors that ward had wrecked?
So, you think Tony is one of the top 10 drivers in the world and didn't know that he ran the guy into to wall, and the guy might get out pissed?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:39 pm to Grassy1
quote:
I find it interesting how everyone commenting has formed a concrete opinion.
I haven't commented because I don't know enough about the sport to form an opinion on what happened
I've never strapped into one of those cars so I don't know what kind of vision they have
I just found out they don't have spotters
No idea of the speed limit during cautions
Don't know how those cars handle
along with countless other things that keep me from forming an opinion
I know that doesn't stop people here on the OT though
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:40 pm to Grassy1
quote:
How can you form such a concrete opinion either way at this point?
OT is always out ahead of these things.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:45 pm to RedRifle
He gets away with a little road rage towards an idiot who was ranting.
The court of public opinion will be Stewart's undoing since he is known for his temper.
Plus there are witness claiming he revved his engine and fishtailed into the guy....these guys know what they are doing in these cars, probably intentional.
He gets off legally but pays a price publicly.
The court of public opinion will be Stewart's undoing since he is known for his temper.
Plus there are witness claiming he revved his engine and fishtailed into the guy....these guys know what they are doing in these cars, probably intentional.
He gets off legally but pays a price publicly.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:47 pm to yellowfin
quote:
I've never strapped into one of those cars so I don't know what kind of vision they have
i dont either. a fellow driver, that is friends with the deceased and was at the track seems convinced he would be able to see. while that comes with the obvious disclaimers that hes emotionally invested, and has no idea if TS might have simply glanced the other direction for a moment.... but someone thats raced those cars, on that track says he should have had the ability to see atleast.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:49 pm to NoSaint
And here is a quote from a crew member on the 45, the car that nearly took out ward before Stewart did.
quote:
i have driven these cars,the right side board on the top wing will block out an entire car let alone a person standing there,i now work on the 45 car in the video and the driver said he just saw him at the last second and just missed him,Tony had even less time to react to the situation.people in the stands or watching this video have no idea how fast these thing happen and how limited our view is inside the car.it was a very bad turn of events that happened but we all know the dangers involved in the sport we love.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:51 pm to Grassy1
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8. Tony could easily anticipate the guy getting out and shaking his fist.
hold on. Explain this one. How many bumps like this are there in racing? How many of those involve the wrecked driver getting out of his car at the top of the live track and walk into traffic to make a scene?
No one on earth could have "easily anticipated" him doing that.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:51 pm to Grassy1
quote:
Best facts I know of:
quote:
No doubt, Tony did not intend to kill the guy
quote:
We do not know Tony's intent.
What?
ETA: And it's not even worth the time arguing the rest of your "facts."
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:54 pm to TigerFred
quote:
That is your opinion. It is not fact.
I'll grant you that one. (and edit my post)
But I don't doubt at all that Tony knew he ran the guy into the wall. And immediately after that the yellow light flashed on.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:56 pm to Grassy1
Here's another quote from the guy who works on the 45 car
quote:
just a little more input for the so called "EXPERTS" Tony was ahead of Kevin when he wrecked,he had no idea that Kevin was the reason for the caution untill he came back around,how could that be premeditated ???
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:06 pm to RedRifle
Unless another video surfaces with more conclusive evidence, this is going to be written off as an unfortunate accident where the driver should have stayed in his car or out of the way of oncoming cars. Any speculation of intent to injure the victim is going to be very difficult to prove without it.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:17 pm to RedRifle
Looking at the video it could be said that the guy intentionally committed suicide. Death by race car. The guy's just walking around between speeding cars on a race track. I wonder if any stories about his mental health will pop up soon.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:18 pm to NoSaint
quote:
while that comes with the obvious disclaimers that hes emotionally invested,
nuff said.
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