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OT firefighters- question about 9/11
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:45 pm
After watching some videos from 9/11, I have a question.
How do firefighters fight a fire on the top of a high rise building like the Twin Towers. Say the buildings would have never collapsed, what would have been the plan to put the fires out?
How do firefighters fight a fire on the top of a high rise building like the Twin Towers. Say the buildings would have never collapsed, what would have been the plan to put the fires out?
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Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:47 pm to doublecutter
Yeah o never understood why they didn’t think to themselves this frickinh thing is prob gonna collapse
We’re really high in the air
Abs it’s good chance we are going to die along with the people trapped.
Just a terrible situation for all involved
I get winded after 3 flights of stairs, couldn’t imagine 100 plus gear on
We’re really high in the air
Abs it’s good chance we are going to die along with the people trapped.
Just a terrible situation for all involved
I get winded after 3 flights of stairs, couldn’t imagine 100 plus gear on
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:48 pm to doublecutter
I mean, fires aren’t supposed to make a building collapse…
(Downvote away, baws)
(Downvote away, baws)
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:48 pm to doublecutter
Go watch The Towering Inferno. It explains it all.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:54 pm to MyRockstarComplex
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fires aren’t supposed to make a building collapse…
You think some fuel sources might burn a little hotter than the material that the building was constructed with?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:55 pm to doublecutter
All high-rise building have a standpipe system with outside connections for the fire department engine companies to connect to and supply water under high pressure to help fight the fires on upper floors.
And yes, buildings can collapse even when built out of steel due to the weakening of the steel if exposed to high temperatures for long periods of time, especially when floors above the fire floor are putting lots of weight on the steel beams.
And yes, buildings can collapse even when built out of steel due to the weakening of the steel if exposed to high temperatures for long periods of time, especially when floors above the fire floor are putting lots of weight on the steel beams.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:55 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:
Yeah o never understood why they didn’t think to themselves this frickinh thing is prob gonna collapse
You have to go in. You don't have to come back out.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:57 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:
Yeah o never understood why they didn’t think to themselves this frickinh thing is prob gonna collapse
I believe many knew they weren’t coming back down that day
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:58 pm to Walt OReilly
Definition of bravery
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:00 pm to 0x15E
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The Towering Inferno. It
Like a documentary on hi rise fires?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:00 pm to Jim Rockford
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You have to go in. You don't have to come back out.
I've got some friends who are/were cops and they all told me they never understood firemen.
They run into burning buildings that roaches and rats are smart enough to be running out of.
Then some firemen friends of mine would say they never understand being a cop. Stop a person for a burned out brake light and risk being shot if they have lots of drugs in the car and don't want to be arrested.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:04 pm to doublecutter
I talked to a fire fighter who made it out of the towers last year on the anniversary at Oharas Bar next door. I asked him the same question. There was no plan to get the fires out. They could only rescue people if possible and try and contain it. Basically try and keep it under control until it flamed out. Now that was before they knew about the mass amount of jet fuel involved. Was going to be a disaster either way. Even without the collapse, anyone above those floors were doomed.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:06 pm to doublecutter
I've never been trained on high rise fires. I know they will have to carry a lot of gear up there. Most buildings have a water supply and hoses on every floor. As I see it they use that and attack the fire.
I've been certified in HAZMAT, EMT, and rope rescue to go along with residential and industrial fire fighting. I can't imagine climbing up that many stairs with over an extra 100 lbs.
I've been certified in HAZMAT, EMT, and rope rescue to go along with residential and industrial fire fighting. I can't imagine climbing up that many stairs with over an extra 100 lbs.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:07 pm to bott18240
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There was no plan to get the fires out. They could only rescue people if possible and try and contain it.
That’s what they’ve said in all the various documentaries also. They went up to rescue people. There was a tiny bit of chatter from engineers about a collapse apparently but the info didn’t spread in time before the first building came down.
Incredibly heroic, and they no doubt saved thousands.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:09 pm to gumbo2176
quote:I have actually seen this.
They run into burning buildings that roaches and rats are smart enough to be running out of.
I never thought of it as being the smart thing to do.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:09 pm to GetCocky11
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That’s what they’ve said in all the various documentaries also. They went up to rescue people.
They were also transporting a lot of hose up the stairs to run from the closest water point up to the fire.
There are a lot of videos on why the towers collapsed, the truss system supporting floors has a lot of issues and have killed a lot of fire fighters. The engineer who designed the towers has given interviews on what happened and what he would do different. It's what they do though, they went to save others, they don't say frick it let them die.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:10 pm to doublecutter
Regular fire and fire from jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:12 pm to Fat and Happy
take it to the conspiracy or PT board, that’s not the subject here
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:12 pm to Fat and Happy
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Regular fire and fire from jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel
It will degrade and cause bending of the weaker steel truss floor support system that had bad connection points and wasn't fire protected properly by todays standards. Which will cause floor failure. This shite has been tested to death with actual fires and similar truss systems.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:14 pm to Redbone
Typically you would use the elevators in a high rise fire to bring FFs and gear up. That’s why you see the “fireman” mode on the elevator buttons. Typically stopping 2 floors below the fire.
I’m assuming the elevators were damaged for the impacts. So that was not an option.
You would stage FFs every 5 floors or so and transport gear up that way…..carry this from floor 1 to 5 then the next guy goes from 6-10 and so on.
I’m assuming the elevators were damaged for the impacts. So that was not an option.
You would stage FFs every 5 floors or so and transport gear up that way…..carry this from floor 1 to 5 then the next guy goes from 6-10 and so on.
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