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OT attorneys, would you sign the LSUC Statement of Principles?

Posted on 3/21/18 at 6:53 pm
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 6:53 pm
I was listening to a Jordan Peterson podcast episode today and it had two attorneys from Ontario talking about this "statement of principles" that the Law Society of Upper Canada, now the Law Society of Ontario has required all attorneys to sign in order to practice.

Statement of Principles page

quote:

All lawyers and paralegals play a vital role in Accelerating Culture Shift, one of 5 strategies adopted by the Law Society to address the barriers faced by racialized licensees.

As part of this strategy you are required to create and abide by an individual Statement of Principles that acknowledges your obligation to promote equality, diversity and inclusion generally, and in your behaviour towards colleagues, employees, clients and the public. (Recommendation 3(1) in the Challenges Faced by Racialized Licensees Working Group’s Final Report)

The Law Society will ask licensees to report on this in their 2017 Annual Report.

This requirement applies to all Law Society licensees. A licensee is anyone who is licensed to practice law or provide legal services and includes retired licensees, licensees working outside of Ontario and licensees not currently practicing law or providing legal services.


The two templates that they are permitted to use

quote:

Template 1

As a licensee of the Law Society of Upper Canada, I stand by the following principles:

A recognition that the Law Society is committed to Inclusive legal workplaces in Ontario, a reduction of barriers created by racism, unconscious bias and discrimination and better representation of Indigenous and racialized licensees in the legal professions in all legal workplaces and at all levels of seniority;

My special responsibility as a member of the legal profession to protect the dignity of all individuals, and to respect human rights laws in force in Ontario;

A commitment to advance reconciliation, acknowledging that we are collectively responsible to support improved relationships between Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples in Ontario and Canada; and,

An acknowledgement of my obligation to promote equality, diversity and inclusion generally and in my behaviour towards colleagues, employees, clients and the public.


I would post the second template but it's much longer than the first.

The two attorneys that were discussing it with Dr. Peterson on his podcast said that the Bar association found that lawyers were discriminatory in their practice. They also said that this is a form of compelled speech, making them sign something that they may not necessarily agree with in order to be able to practice their profession.

YouTube link to podcast episode
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 6:54 pm
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34331 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 6:56 pm to
Looks like some commie Canadian BS to me
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
74077 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 6:57 pm to
I really wish we could keep all the quasi political bullshite on the poli board and keep the OT for talking about tits and truck nuts
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39568 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 6:57 pm to
frick that shite.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 6:58 pm to
Not an attorney, but that shite is so vague as to be entirely unenforceable.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76189 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 6:58 pm to
I’ve been to a private dinner in the Quebec Parliment building, is that close to what you’re asking?

Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 7:04 pm to
quote:

I really wish we could keep all the quasi political bullshite on the poli board and keep the OT for talking about tits and truck nuts


God forbid the OT has a thought provoking topic
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
60162 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 7:07 pm to
I was an attorney but it just wasn't intellectually stimulating to me so I drug up and became a welder
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 7:07 pm to
quote:

unconscious bias


Who the frick wrote this? A 19 year old fat, green haired college girl?
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
82433 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 7:24 pm to
The rule of law doesn't exist unless outcomes depend on the facts and the law, as opposed to who the parties to the case are.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

The rule of law doesn't exist unless outcomes depend on the facts and the law, as opposed to who the parties to the case are.


Canada doesn’t believe that, apparently. Is there any way that would be signed in a not as cowed nation like ours?
Posted by Geaux Piggins Geaux
Member since Aug 2015
998 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:02 pm to
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OT attorneys, would you sign the LSUC Statement of Principles?


I didn't know LSU had a Covington location.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:09 pm to
Crowley finally swallowed up Eunice and LSUE became LSUC
Posted by Jim Smith
Member since May 2016
2915 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:09 pm to
Get Gordon Get it Done
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:13 pm to
There’s a poster somewhere on here whose sig pic is an attorney from somewhere on a bus stop ad saying “like bringing a gun to a knife fight” for his slogan. GOAT slogan.
Posted by Jim Smith
Member since May 2016
2915 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:14 pm to
quote:

I was an attorney but it just wasn’t intellectually stimulating to me so I drug up and became a welder


Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
68450 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:18 pm to
America's hat is run by a bunch of slack-jawed pussies.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:51 pm to
Meh I expected to be more appalled


I could probably sign that, it's amorphous gibberish. Plus I like money, and doin' law pays alright

Now if it were all "I'm privileged and acknowledge my role in all the great atrocities of history by my cis-white nature" I probably would be willing to raise hell
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 9:02 pm to
quote:

I could probably sign that, it's amorphous gibberish. Plus I like money, and doin' law pays alright


But they can pull your license if you don’t comply. You don’t see how this could be compelled speech?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 9:10 pm to
Sure man

I'd just lie

It's Canada anyway, it's not real law
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