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re: Operator vs. Engineer?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:22 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:22 pm to JohnnyKilroy
In what world are engineers not working weekends. I will concede that they don’t have to work nights ever, but that’s because they are consumed by these plants for 6-7 day’s a week working 10-12 hours per day. While an operator will have to work nights on their rotation, they generally only have to work 4 days per week
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:24 pm to Oilfieldbiology
I've worked 1 Saturday and zero sundays since 2014.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:25 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:lol what?
In what world are engineers not working weekends. I will concede that they don’t have to work nights ever, but that’s because they are consumed by these plants for 6-7 day’s a week working 10-12 hours per day
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:28 pm to OneMoreTime
I have the fortune of going all over the country and working in plants. The engineers worth a shite are there at 7-7:30 and are not leaving until 5 in a normal, non fricked up week.
During turn around, start up, shut down, or oh shite’s they are there just as many hours as an operator
During turn around, start up, shut down, or oh shite’s they are there just as many hours as an operator
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:33 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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because they are consumed by these plants for 6-7 day’s a week working 10-12 hours per day.
Lol no
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:34 pm to ultratiger89
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whereas the engineer can be anywhere between 100 - 300k
Yea MAYBE a handful of engineers 10 years out of school are making 300k in downstream. 99.5% would be under 200k.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:34 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:cool. But they ain't there on the weekends in a non fricked up week
The engineers worth a shite are there at 7-7:30 and are not leaving until 5 in a normal, non fricked up week.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:36 pm to OneMoreTime
Ok so an operator is. But he also had Tuesday and Wednesday off and will have the next 4 days off as he’s switching to night shift
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:39 pm to Ric Flair
My sister was a lab tech at a major oil refinery. Basically same as an operator and part of the union, it's just in the lab. She took a pay cut for a while to become an actual salaried chemist.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:40 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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The engineers worth a shite are there at 7-7:30 and are not leaving until 5 in a normal, non fricked up week.
So he'd be working 40-45 hours a week on the same days at the same time every week, and when he doesn't work he still gets paid.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:42 pm to Ric Flair
Difference is I make more than what all my friends in operations do and don't have to work but maybe one turnaround a year, two max. And for me they last usually less than 4 weeks, where for them it might be 6 months.
Also engineering grads have a much higher ceiling especially with an MBA.
Operators work a lot harder a d the crazy schedule too.
Trade off is many times if you are an Engineer and move into management, you can expect a higher stress level and much more responsibility in many cases. Plus they only had 2 years of school.
It's a trade off either way and both are amazing jobs that 90% of the population would love to have. I much prefer engineering to operations or direct unit supervision.
I actually prefer to work for a contractor and be able to come and go as I please with all the freedom in the world for the same pay. frick being stuck behind a fence all day.
Also engineering grads have a much higher ceiling especially with an MBA.
Operators work a lot harder a d the crazy schedule too.
Trade off is many times if you are an Engineer and move into management, you can expect a higher stress level and much more responsibility in many cases. Plus they only had 2 years of school.
It's a trade off either way and both are amazing jobs that 90% of the population would love to have. I much prefer engineering to operations or direct unit supervision.
I actually prefer to work for a contractor and be able to come and go as I please with all the freedom in the world for the same pay. frick being stuck behind a fence all day.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:42 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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But he also had Tuesday and Wednesday off and will have the next 4 days off as he’s switching to night shift
Having 2 days in the middle of the week off to get ready to be there on nights doesn't really sound great. I'd rather be off when my buddies are and not have to always be internally fricked up from never being on any sort of schedule.
***my buddies aren't operators because I have a college degree.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:44 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Dude you don't know what you are talking about. 90% of ants don't let engineers work OT unless during a Turnaround or a change in the process.
Flat out to put it bluntly, you are talking out your arse.
Flat out to put it bluntly, you are talking out your arse.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:49 pm to lsu777
What is the deal with the short dick syndrome of people slamming operators on this board? Did something happen or somebody say something last week? This is probably thread #5 on the same fricking topic.
There is no "feud" between operators and engineers. There is no ego battle. Everybody works together to make sure the plant is running smooth, so nobody has to work real hard. That's the goal.
There is no "feud" between operators and engineers. There is no ego battle. Everybody works together to make sure the plant is running smooth, so nobody has to work real hard. That's the goal.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:49 pm to lsu777
How can you work overtime when you’re salaried? I’m not saying one is better. I’m just saying they both work long fricking hours
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:51 pm to barry
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Yea MAYBE a handful of engineers 10 years out of school are making 300k in downstream. 99.5% would be under 200k.
Yea there are very very few engineers making 150k. Bunch of lying bullshite with the 300k. No engineer in the plants is touching 200k as an engineer. Most plant managers don't make 300k except the big refineries and I'm talking the big boys.
Mechanical is starting at 65-85
Chemical is starting at 70-95
Electrical is starting at 70-85
Civil is starting at 55-65 if in the plants
Mechanicals in non supervision role is topping out at 125
Chemical is topping out in non supervision role at 115-130
Electrical is topping out at 125 or so if not in a power plant of some kind
Civil is topping out at 115 or so
The above doesn't include bonuses which can be up to 30-40k
And chemicals are going to move to unit supervision and top out around 175
Mechanical will move to engineering supervision usually and top out around 175 too.
Civil and electrical are just happy to get the bonus, if the plant even has those positions especially civil.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:51 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:So your 6-7 days working 10-12 hours was bullshite.
Ok so an operator is. But he also had Tuesday and Wednesday off and will have the next 4 days off as he’s switching to night shift
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:53 pm to Ric Flair
The retards arguing this and the amount of time wasted is why Louisiana is laughed at.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:53 pm to lsu777
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90% of ants don't let engineers work OT unless during a Turnaround or a change in the process.
What are you talking about? You’re saying plants don’t let their salaried employees work OT? I think there must confusion over terminology. When we say OT we mean over 40 hours a week without additional pay.
The fact is: every plant will allow a salaried employee to work over 40 unpaid.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:53 pm to OneMoreTime
My bad. I should have said 5-7 days a week
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