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re: opening of Confederate time capsule discovered during dissembling of Robert E. Lee
Posted on 12/22/21 at 3:44 pm to Burt Reynolds
Posted on 12/22/21 at 3:44 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Lee some how managed to lose Virginia twice
He didn't care about winning. This was a man from a culture where honor was paramount, not winning
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 3:45 pm to WMTigerFAN
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Any of these pre-1900 statues need some sort of historical designation to protect them from being demolished.
Most all these things had something like that. None of it apparently meant anything in the face of the woke, let's destroy anything that came before us that we might not like now crowd.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:44 pm to USMEagles
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He didn't care about winning
That’s good because he got his arse handed to him by Grant.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:00 pm to Burt Reynolds
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That’s good because he got his arse handed to him by Grant
Why do people such as yourself not understand things in their historical context? Robert E. Lee was a very good human being who is now being vilified by people who have no concept of what the world was like 150 years ago. But hey, you do you guy, I’m sure it makes you feel better.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:19 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It's almost like they knew the assholes would eventually come for it.
It is called foresight. They knew slavery was evil, and eventually time would catch up with them. They just couldn’t face a life where they lost their privilege, so they let their morales fall by the waist side. Still happening in America currently.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:21 pm to Burt Reynolds
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That’s good because he got his arse handed to him by Grant.
Grant was lucky Lee didn’t have the endless resources like he did.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:26 pm to USMEagles
quote:Then don’t hire him as your commanding general or your head coach.
He didn't care about winning. This was a man from a culture where honor was paramount, not winning
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:26 pm to USMEagles
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He didn't care about winning.
Yeah, he suffered misery with his troops in the field, saw tens of thousands of them die on the battlefield or from disease, and watched his native state (a state he placed above all things - save God) get absolutely wrecked in retaliation for his actions on campaign. But no. He didn't care about winning at all. It was all about honor and not at all about gaining independence for Virginia and, by extension, the Confederacy.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:29 pm to TuckyTiger
Grant is lucky Stonewall wasn’t running the show!
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:33 pm to MikeAV8s
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But hey, you do you guy, I’m sure it makes you feel better.
That guy is a piece of trash. His username is Burt Reynolds, whose best known role is driving the car below, while he spends his time on this board lampooning the Confederacy.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:33 pm to USMEagles
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He didn't care about winning. This was a man from a culture where honor was paramount, not winning
His land was taken and turned into Arlington National Cemetery. Quite the honor.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:37 pm to HooDooWitch
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Grant is lucky Stonewall wasn’t running the show!
Actually, Stonewall Jackson would have been the opponent Grant probably would have wanted to fight the most because, while Jackson was incredible on the march and a master of maneuver, once the armies were on the field he was usually founding wanting. As a tactician, I give Jackson super low marks. He was aggressive to a fault and committed his forces into the fray piecemeal rather than waiting just a little bit longer to launch a coordinated assault. He also had a very bad habit of hiding his intentions and his objectives from his subordinate commanders - which you absolutely don't want to do when you are in command of an army. Jackson got away with it because Lee understood Jackson. He also complemented his fellow corps commander Longstreet quite well even though the two rarely saw eye to eye on anything.
It's one thing to bamboozle political generals in the Shenandoah Valley but quite another to bamboozle a guy like Ulysses S. Grant.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:47 pm to RollTide1987
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Grant is lucky Stonewall wasn’t running the show!
Had Stonewall been at Gettysburg Grant probably never gets a chance to do much, because Jackson would not have dragged his feet like Ewell did.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:56 pm to texasmason
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Did he say that the first time he was Prime Minister, or the second time?
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:59 pm to TBoy
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All things must pass.
fricking Nazi.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:05 pm to antibarner
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Jackson would not have dragged his feet like Ewell did.
No, he would have just attacked piecemeal and wrecked his corps against Cemetery Hill.
Ewell had no other choice but to wait. He had three divisions in his corps. The first of which was that of Robert Rodes. Rodes had seen his division get mauled in the attacks along Oak Ridge northwest of Gettysburg. One of his brigades (that of Iverson) practically didn't exist anymore. So there was no way in hell Ewell could expect Rodes to lead an assault on Cemetery Hill. The other division that had been involved in the fighting on July 1, that of Jubal Early, was disorganized after chasing the Eleventh Corps from the north of town and through Gettysburg. Command and control had broken down and it would take some time for Early to reorganize his brigades for an assault on the heights south of town. So that left the division of Edward Johnson - which hadn't arrived on the field yet and would be delayed by a false report of Union troops advancing into the rear of Ewell's lines.
So with all of this in mind, when Lee's staff officer comes up to Ewell on the afternoon of July 1 and commands to take Cemetery Hill "if practicable," Ewell takes a look around and (correctly) deems it impractical to do given the situation his corps had found itself in. If Jackson decides to attack confronted with the same situation, there is absolutely no way it's coordinated and likely suffers heavy casualty with little ground gained in the process.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:13 pm to WMTigerFAN
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Any of these pre-1900 statues need some sort of historical designation to protect them from being demolished.
The Lee statue in question actually had iron clad legal protections. That's why it took them over a year to tear it down. The monument was a restrictive covenant that was part of an old property deed when a local family donated a large plot of land (now fully developed) to the city of Richmond. The deed specified that if the statue was removed the land would revert back to the family. Uh oh.
The family tried to get their land back and the VA Supreme Court basically said, we don't care what the law says, we're going to do what WE feel is right. Then the family asked for money representing the FMV of the land and the Court told them to F off. Then they asked for their statue back so at least IT wouldn't be destroyed and the Court again told them to F off.
That's why you don't hear much about this case. A court openly stated we don't care about your property rights or how clear the controlling law is when they conflict with whatever PERSONAL opinions have happened to flare up in us at this moment in time.
Pretty scary when you think about it.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:24 pm to Shexter
Racism knows no boundaries
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:28 pm to TuckyTiger
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Grant was lucky Lee didn’t have the endless resources like he did.
Lee v Grant in 1862 when the South still had men and supplies would have been a better matchup than the 1863 post-Gettysburg Lee. The South was handing the North their arse in Virginia in 62 and 63.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:32 pm to TuckyTiger
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Grant was lucky Lee didn’t have the endless resources like he did
Same could be said about Rommel and Yamamoto.
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