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re: Only takes Attorney 32 seconds to articulate why marriage is a raw deal for men.

Posted on 12/17/25 at 9:33 am to
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88768 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 9:33 am to
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“Florida law says 50% agree?”



one of the most one-sided(in favor of the woman,) family court systems in the universe
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/17/25 at 9:36 am to
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Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
18865 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 9:42 am to
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Gray Divorce has the 2nd highest divorce rate of any age demographic.


How many of those are second or third marriages?
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 12/17/25 at 9:46 am to
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The biggest lie being told to men is that they are better off not being a family. Marriage is hard, especially today, but the rewards are exponentially better than living a single life


I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that it is socially and legally structured at this time to lean negatively towards men if things were to go wrong.
Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
4318 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:02 am to
This is an extremely myopic and adolescent view of marriage.
Posted by Dadren
Jawja
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:16 am to
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I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that it is socially and legally structured at this time to lean negatively towards men if things were to go wrong.

This is a real thing.

Given the fact that none of us can do anything about that, I guess there are two approaches:

1) Take the worldview of the OP and run around screaming that marriage is a man-ruining trap.

Or

2) Mitigate the risk of “things going wrong”. I think this starts by understanding that you are part of the thing that could go wrong. The “failed marriage” doesn’t just happen to you, you are a part of a marriage that fails.

That’s good news, because it means you have some agency here. Yes, women do leave men. Women will even leave “good” men. They rarely leave a man who loves, cares for and sees them the way they want.

Not saying that’s easy, it takes effort but every husband can be that guy for his wife if he wants to. And if you do that, you’re not going to be all that concerned with mangled divorce stats, inequity in divorce courts and general doomcasting on the state of marriage, because you’ll know that stuff doesn’t really apply to you.
This post was edited on 12/17/25 at 10:18 am
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9008 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:20 am to
Puts you divorce lawyers in your place where you belong.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2401 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:51 am to
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Given the fact that none of us can do anything about that, I guess there are two approaches:

1) Take the worldview of the OP and run around screaming that marriage is a man-ruining trap.

Or

2) Mitigate the risk of “things going wrong”. I think this starts by understanding that you are part of the thing that could go wrong. The “failed marriage” doesn’t just happen to you, you are a part of a marriage that fails.


You can do number 2 (and absolutely should), but also continue to call out the insanity of how we treat the situation. By fixing that, you will also fix a big part about "it not being easy". I do think it's hard for both sides, but certainly easier for women. If there is equal difficulty, it's easier to reconcile. I recognize I'm responsible for a lot of the difficulties we may have in my marriage. But funny how I certainly have to work harder to fix myself than my wife does with herself
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26819 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:56 am to
Life is full of risks and trade offs. I would argue that if you live your life constantly trying to avoid getting fricked over, you’ll probably just end up without many relationships of value. Nothing risked, nothing gained.
This post was edited on 12/17/25 at 11:00 am
Posted by Dadren
Jawja
Member since Dec 2023
3116 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:30 am to
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You can do number 2 (and absolutely should), but also continue to call out the insanity of how we treat the situation.

You can, sure. But is it helpful to you personally or to your marriage?

If a husband is constantly thinking about how poorly men are treated in divorce court, he’s not wrong, but might he be coloring his view of his own marriage in a way that is detrimental by dwelling on one part of the institution that might end up being unfair to him? I can’t change the way divorces are adjudicated so I just don’t see the point.
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I do think it's hard for both sides, but certainly easier for women. If there is equal difficulty, it's easier to reconcile. I recognize I'm responsible for a lot of the difficulties we may have in my marriage. But funny how I certainly have to work harder to fix myself than my wife does with herself

One thing I learned the second-to-last time we did marriage counseling was that a good therapist isn’t trying to “fix” either of you, he/she is trying to equip you both to succeed. In our case, equipping me with “tools 1-3” turned out to be what needed to happen first for our marriage to survive.

Which, to your point, feels pretty craptastic. Nobody wants to be “the problem”. But if you look at it the way I just laid it, it’s not “me being a problem”. It’s “me being ill-equipped”. If my wife is more equipped to operate successfully in a marriage, that doesn’t make me “less than”. She had to work harder to get back in shape after kids than I ever did. Life isn’t fair.

I think it’s helpful to remember that everything is not going to be “equal effort” along every dimension. It should not be 50/50, it should be “what’s needed/what’s needed” for the marriage. If one of you is “stronger” in one area, that should benefit you both.
Posted by FAT SEXY
California
Member since Jun 2020
1439 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:31 am to
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divorce rate is 99%?


Of course not. Plenty of unhappy marriages linger for varying reasons.
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