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re: Once again...before I am banned...happy feast day of the Immaculate Conception!
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:44 pm to GreenRockTiger
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:44 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:oh this should be good
GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:45 pm to OWLFAN86
No snack tonight - stomach virus in the house
I better start worshiping Mary
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:46 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:ewwww bet the hovel smells great
- stomach virus in the house
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:48 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:sure does (not)
ewwww bet the hovel smells great
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:50 pm to GreenRockTiger
Not all Protestant denominations drink grape juice.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:53 pm to highup7
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Not all Protestant denominations drink grape juice.
yes I know But my dad grew up Baptist so I like to make fun
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:55 pm to GreenRockTiger
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she was chosen long before - which is why she is the immaculate conception. A pure vessel to carry the Son of God. We should be thankful for her, or we’d have no way to Heaven.
We ask her to pray for us. We ask her to ask Jesus. He listened to her at the wedding at Cana - we hope He still listens to her now.
We protest (get it?) against all of the above as unscriptural. None of it is supported by Scripture.
You have Jesus's own response to Mariolatry, so anyone trying to defend the veneration of Mary, for any reason whatsoever, is trying to defend the indefensible.
I'm not the one that said it, GOD said it.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:57 pm to LetTheTigerOut
quote:but couldn’t that be interpreted that she (Mary) is more blessed because she listened to God in the first place - not necessarily because she raised God?
You have Jesus's own response to Mariolatry, so anyone trying to defend the veneration of Mary, for any reason whatsoever, is trying to defend the indefensible.
Jesus wouldn’t be here if Mary hadn’t obeyed
Plus the dogma of the immaculate conception came out a few hundred years after Luther - so you don’t know what you’re protesting - it had been discussed for centuries but not made official until later
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:01 pm to OWLFAN86
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wait!!
Conception to birth in 2 1/2 weeks?
catholics think that?
Immaculate Conception is Mary's conception.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:14 pm to GreenRockTiger
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but couldn’t that be interpreted
No. Context is everything. Jesus's response shut. it. down. when it came to the glorification of Mary. It's wrong, in any form. God does not share his glory with anyone.
It really could not be more clear.
Also, if you study Scripture, you will notice that at no time ever during Jesus's entire ministry did he say, hint, allude, suggest: "If you can't get through to me, you can always try going through my mom."
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:16 pm to LetTheTigerOut
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Jesus made it clear. It's not about Mary, in any form, whatsoever.
That's not what he's saying here. Yes he's focusing on obeying the word of God. He not making a theological statement about the veneration of Mary.
Edit: I'm no theologian and am certainly not prepared to have this debate, especially here. But here's a nice write-up if you care about the true catholic position on the matter.
Mary
LINK
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:21 pm to LSUJuice
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That's not what he's saying here.
Yes, it is. His response is a direct rebuttal of the woman glorifying Mary.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:23 pm to LetTheTigerOut
quote:Catholics do not believe that Mary shares God’s glory - get that out of your head
God does not share his glory with anyone.
quote:it’s really not clear just because you interpret it differently and construe your meaning how you want it to be
It really could not be more clear.
quote:newsflash that’s what I do
if you study Scripture,
quote:although He gave His mother to the Apostle John and listens to her at the wedding
Jesus's entire ministry did he say, hint, allude, suggest: "If you can't get through to me, you can always try going through my mom."
Do you not ask other people to pray for you? Or you can do it all by yourself?
What about your interpretation of Luke 18:19?
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:26 pm to LetTheTigerOut
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I ask you, my dear friend, to read carefully the first chapter of the Gospel of St. Luke, verse 26 to verse 55. It is very hard to understand how any Christian can study this passage and then refuse to honor Mary. Why, the “Hail Mary,” which Catholics love to address to the Blessed Virgin, is explicitly given there; part of it was said by the angel Gabriel and part by Elizabeth. The angel was inspired by God and Elizabeth “was filled with the Holy Ghost” (v. 41). Let us put together the words that the angel Gabriel and Elizabeth addressed to Mary: “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed are thou among women” (v. 28). “Blessed are thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.” Here we have the salutation that Catholics address to Mary. The only addition we have made are the two names, “Mary” and “Jesus.” So that, in saying the Hail, Mary, Catholics are explicitly following the Bible. I shall deal with the second part of this prayer presently.
You will notice, my dear friend, that Mary in that sublime canticle known as the Magnificat, which is recorded by the inspired writer from verse 46 to 55, declared: “Behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed” (v. 48). Who, I ask, fulfills this prophecy: those who refuse to apply the adjective blessed to the Virgin Mary, or Catholics, who love to call Mary the Blessed Virgin?
From the link I posted above.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:35 pm to GreenRockTiger
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it’s really not clear just because you interpret it differently and construe your meaning how you want it to be
I take it right from Jesus.
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Do you not ask other people to pray for you? Or you can do it all by yourself?
In scripture, God lets it be known that all have a direct line to Him through Jesus. This was shown when Jesus offered up His spirit and at that moment the veil separating God from man was rent in two. God was now accessible through Jesus.
I don't need the dead bones of any person to 'intercede' for me, nor do I need Jesus's earthly mother to do it. Mary was just the vessel that God used to bring Jesus into the world. She's not in any way, shape, or form on any equal standing with Lord the Father, or Jesus the Savior. It's blasphemy to suggest otherwise.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:38 pm to LSUJuice
Thanks for your trouble; however, I don't need the Catholic church's interpretation. I already have the authoritative word right from Jesus.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:40 pm to LetTheTigerOut
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I take it right from Jesus.
no you don’t - He saying His mother is blessed because she listened to God quote:no one has said that - that is your misinterpretation, and to downplay Mary, the mother of God, who is called blessed in scripture, who was handpicked by God to be His Son’s mother leads me to believe you interpret scripture to your benefit - pride leaves God out
She's not in any way, shape, or form on any equal standing with Lord the Father, or Jesus the Savior.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:54 pm to GreenRockTiger
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He saying His mother is blessed because she listened to God
That's not what he's saying. He flat out shut that woman down when she began exalting Mary as some type of extra-special being.
Again, if Mary had any exalted privilege, one that went above and beyond that of being chosen to bear our Saviour, Jesus would have made it known and abundantly clear during his ministry.
There would have been numerous references to her "immaculate" condition, as well as encouraging people to appeal to her in matters of supplication.
The veneration, glorification, praying to, etc. regarding Mary is not in in way scriptural. Jesus never did it, nor did he direct people to do it.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:55 pm to LetTheTigerOut
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Thanks for your trouble; however, I don't need the Catholic church's interpretation. I already have the authoritative word right from Jesus.
Then why even comment in this thread, champ?
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:02 pm to LetTheTigerOut
Hail Mary full of grace the lord is with you. Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
The words of the angel to Mary and the words of Elisabeth to Mary.
It’s in the Bible
This is the prayer we say when we ask Mary to pray for us.
We repeat scripture.
The words of the angel to Mary and the words of Elisabeth to Mary.
It’s in the Bible
This is the prayer we say when we ask Mary to pray for us.
We repeat scripture.
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