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On this night, 157 years ago, two great armies faced off against each other...

Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:48 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:48 pm
The Union Army of the Potomac (85,000 strong) and the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia (40,000 strong) rested on the ground around the town of Sharpsburg, Maryland. A swiftly flowing creek, the Antietam, meandered nearby. It was raining that night.

The men huddled together trying to keep warm, perhaps making nervous jokes about the weather or the circumstances which brought them to this place. All of them knew that a great battle would be fought the next day. In later years, the survivors of the horror that was to come on the morning would speak about this night in great detail. Throughout the ranks, from the regimental commanders to the lowliest private, there was a sense that something ominous was afoot in the air. This sense, while surely present on the day before most battles, was unlike anything these men had ever felt before.

On the Union side, George B. McClellan poured over maps in his headquarters, convinced that the Confederate host that faced his army numbered more than 120,000 men in strength. In truth...he outnumbered Robert E. Lee's army by more than 2-to-1 odds. Despite believing himself to be hopelessly outnumbered, McClellan planned to attack the next morning. His plan was to smash Lee's left flank, then his right, before finishing things off in the center.

The man who would receive the first blows from McClellan's attack would be Stonewall Jackson and his weary foot cavalry, just in from a forced march from Harpers Ferry. While he and Lee looked over the camp fires of the Union foe that faced him, Lee couldn't help but remark how many camp fires there were. "Won't be as many of them tomorrow," Jackson replied.

Many historians, especially in recent years, have wondered in their writings why Lee had decided to make a stand at Antietam. He was hopelessly outnumbered and he knew it. He also knew that any break in his line could spell the end of his army. They were backed up against the Potomac River, with only one usable ford to evacuate the army back to Virginia should the worst occur.

The one thing Lee had going for him was the experience of his army compared to his Union counterpart. Every single man in his 40,000-man force was a combat veteran of the Virginia Peninsula and Second Manassas campaigns. The Army of the Potomac featured entire divisions that had never so much as fired their weapons in anger.

Be that as it may, Robert E. Lee was still faced with a precarious situation as September 16, 1862 turned into September 17, 1862. The odds were against him but he believed in his army and had resolved himself to take a stand against the overcautious McClellan. With any luck, his army - with its strong defensive position - could score a brilliant tactical victory come morning.

Posted by PhilipMarlowe
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:52 pm to


Goat.
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 6:53 pm
Posted by Magician2
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:10 pm to
Surprise he still has a statue up in New York since his men killed women and children.
Posted by dallastiger55
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:12 pm to
I forget that the Union had more than double the troops that the South did

How did the South think they could overcome that?
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:18 pm to
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How did the South think they could overcome that?


By attacking the North early, smartly feign dominance in the field and cause Lincoln to lose re-election before the numbers and the industrial base of the Union took over.

Do you know anything about the Civil War?
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 7:19 pm
Posted by arcalades
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:18 pm to
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Goat.
lol. Sherman didn't accomplish anything great until it was pretty much over.

like gumps, Stonewall could only be beaten by himself
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 7:19 pm
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:20 pm to
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Goat.



Posted by SCLibertarian
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:23 pm to
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Surprise he still has a statue up in New York since his men killed women and children.

White southerners don't count.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:24 pm to
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Sherman didn't accomplish anything great until it was pretty much over.


He did a pretty fine job commanding the right flank of Grant's army at Shiloh and proved his mettle in the Vicksburg campaign as Grant's chief lieutenant. He also never wanted to be the #1 guy. He loved being Grant's subordinate and practically begged Grant to take him with him to Virginia.

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Stonewall could only be beaten by himself


And surprisingly he did that more often than not. His performances in the Seven Days' Campaign and at Second Manassas were not too spectacular. The man was brilliant when maneuvering his forces, but he wasn't the greatest tactician in North America.
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 7:25 pm
Posted by Pepe Lepew
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:24 pm to
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How did the South think they could overcome that?


How did 13 colonies think they could beat the largest and most powerful army in the world?
Posted by brewhan davey
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:25 pm to
Is that Andrew Luck?
Posted by windshieldman
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:29 pm to
85,000 to 40,000. See McClellan should have done what Grant would have done, ask for another shite ton more troops just to make sure he’d win. Grant preferred 4-1 odds, not no 2-1.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:32 pm to
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How did 13 colonies think they could beat the largest and most powerful army in the world?


1) The British were never truly in it to win it. King George III was the only one who really seemed to give a shite about the American Colonies remaining in the Empire. Everyone else was like good riddance. After the failed offensives of 1777 (which included the disastrous defeat for the British at Saratoga), as well as France's entry into the conflict on our side, the war was pretty much over. It just took a further four years for Parliament to convince George III of this fact.

2) Distance. It's 3,500 miles from the Court of St. James to Long Island. It took many weeks for men to cross the Atlantic and for news to reach either side of the ocean. In the Civil War, the enemy's territory was literally right across the river.



This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 7:36 pm
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:33 pm to
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On the Union side, George B. McClellan poured over maps

*pored
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:34 pm to
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See McClellan should have done what Grant would have done, ask for another shite ton more troops just to make sure he’d win.


That's actually one of the reasons Lincoln liked Grant more than his other commanders. Grant *never* asked for reinforcements and always worked with what he had. Your facts are incorrect.
Posted by windshieldman
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:37 pm to
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Grant *never* asked for reinforcements and always worked with what he had. Your facts are incorrect.


He did it in vicksburg
Posted by Ragnar Danneskjold
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:38 pm to
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Is that Andrew Luck?



Uh...
Posted by tigersownall
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:40 pm to
Will, courage, tradition.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:40 pm to
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He did it in vicksburg


Lincoln literally made these comments in the midst of the Vicksburg campaign.
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:42 pm to
God bless those Southern heroes
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