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re: On this day 157 years ago, William T. Sherman presented Savannah, GA to Lincoln...
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:29 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:29 am to RollTide1987
To think of all the death and destruction that was caused by aristocratic Confederate landholders and aristocrats who couldn’t willingly let go of their slave economy. Sad.
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:31 am to geauxtigers87
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Sissy boys like this are why I talk so much shite about Louisiana. Y’all got too much soy in that state now.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:31 am to SCLibertarian
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One can simultaneously recognize the evils of slavery and also realize that the Union victory was the primary factor in the death of the American republic and the reason why our current federal government is a centralized leviathan which seeks to control and regulate every facet of our lives.
There are so many people who can't, or won't, see this but it's exactly correct. It's easy to go after the low hanging fruit like slavery, everyone knows it was wrong and the south was wrong for wanting to continue it, but it takes a bit more critical thinking skills to understand that the civil war also put us on the path of federal government overreach on states rights.
It's definitely a shame in more ways than one
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:32 am to geauxtigers87
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Lincoln and the republicans did not want to end slavery, only stop its spread. They went out of their way to make this clear to the South.
The problem is most Southern planters believed that the only way slavery could survive was if it continued to spread. That's something Lincoln and his Republican friends didn't seem to understand. Southerners needed slavery to expand.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:32 am to TheeRealCarolina
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Sissy boys like this are why I talk so much shite about Louisiana. Y’all got too much soy in that state now.
i just realized you're in SC. this makes so much more sense now. Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:33 am to geauxtigers87
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Southern planter class and Southern propaganda swayed everyone else to thinking a war was a good idea.
It’s amazing all these years later that lower and middle class people feel sentimental about a South in which they would have held no power or sway and would have been beholden to politicos and aristocrats. Basically they’re historical simps for big money politics.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:36 am to RollTide1987
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Southerners needed slavery to expand.
i think it was more at a "we've destroyed our land from overplanting cotton for 40 years, we need new land to keep our profits up and not diversify our planting"
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:37 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So, what was he fighting for?
Almost every acre that Sherman set foot on was burned to the ground. That was what these poor South Carolinians fought for. South Carolina was absolutely destroyed by that man and his army.
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He lost. He went home. All of his land was still there for him to farm, and all of his people were still there to farm it
This was not the case in South Carolina, so kindly shut up about things in which you have no understanding.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 7:40 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:39 am to SCLibertarian
i feel zero pity for SC. they threatened the US and caused crisis after crisis for 30 years before the war. And that idiot calhoun (who by the way was very pro-big govt until the Missouri Compromise) being the ringleader for causing that destruction you get so worked up about 160 years later
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:40 am to geauxtigers87
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i think it was more at a "we've destroyed our land from overplanting cotton for 40 years, we need new land to keep our profits up and not diversify our planting"
It had less to do with that and more to do with balance of power. Slavery was a huge economic interest for many Southerners and even a few Northerners. To protect the institution from the growing anti-slavery movement in the North, southerners needed slavery to expand into the western territories so that when those territories became states, they would have the votes to protect slavery in the Senate.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:41 am to RollTide1987
agreed. like i said earlier, once the South realized the 50/50 split was dead and they couldnt bully through another compromise in their favor, they left.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:46 am to SCLibertarian
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:47 am to SCLibertarian
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Almost every acre that Sherman set foot on was burned to the ground. That was what these poor South Carolinians fought for. South Carolina was absolutely destroyed by that man and his army.
Sucks to suck. Sherman wanted to make an example out of South Carolina and make an example he did. That's where secession started and that's where the war began. It was more than they deserved for helping to kick start a conflict that cost over 750,000 Americans their lives.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:48 am to FredBear
The war had no winners. The thousands have died in vain for a war that should have been avoided. But greedy men prevailed and the growing power of the feds kept getting worse. Now here we are as citizens where our rights such as freedom of speech is being taken away and go to jail for standing up for our American and God given rights. But nay as Americans look away and just don't care. But we all deserve it as action speaks louder than words.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:49 am to Damone
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To think of all the death and destruction that was caused by aristocratic Confederate landholders and aristocrats who couldn’t willingly let go of their slave economy. Sad.
Those aristocrats were just providing a market for the cotton Yankee textile magnates needed. They never had moral qualms about slavery when it was lining their pockets.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:51 am to RollTide1987
Sherman knew it would be an ugly drawn out affair. He thought they would have to break the spirit of the CSA to win. He was right. Its been a while since I've read the Foote books, but I dont recall him saying Shermans march was unrestrained.
I think the most just criticisms of W Tecumseh Sherman, was his actions against the indians.
I think the most just criticisms of W Tecumseh Sherman, was his actions against the indians.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:59 am to SCLibertarian
No you don’t understand, his great grandad’s farm was fine so that’s how everything was.
The civil war showed us the federal government believes it owns you and will kill you to keep you. frick them, the confederacy was the right thing to do
The civil war showed us the federal government believes it owns you and will kill you to keep you. frick them, the confederacy was the right thing to do
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:05 am to RollTide1987
They and the rest of the South should thank their lucky stars the rest of the country wasn’t more vindictive after the war. It wouldn’t have been wholly unexpected if all of the Confederate officers were summarily executed for their treason.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:09 am to RollTide1987
Your pathetic schtick is exhausting. Take it to the inbred board.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:15 am to McLemore
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Your pathetic schtick is exhausting.
What is my schtick exactly?
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