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re: On this date in 1942, FDR sentenced thousands of Japanese-Americans to concentration camps
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:11 am to TH03
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:11 am to TH03
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Yep. And the libruls too
This is the same slippery slope that the libs are on.
If you keep segmenting the world and condemning one segment after another, eventually they’ll come after whatever segment you fit in.
They came for the jews, I am not a Jew so I said nothing.
They came for the japs, I am not a jap so I said nothing.
They came for the blacks, I am not black so I said nothing.
They came for me and there was no one left to say anything.
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:12 am to GetCocky11
Sweet Jesus, this thread is ten pages long and 98% bickering over semantics. I'm glad a couple of posters mentioned the 442d and the fact that most of the internees were American citizens.
Re: Concentration Camp Argument
For something like 65 or 70 years, these camps were almost universally referred to as interment camps. What happened over the past few years that has made them concentration camps? Are internment camps and concentration camps now considered to be the same thing? Not that I'd want to be uprooted and shipped to either place, but I've always considered a place like Manzanar to be a more benign option than a German concentration camp. I think there is a difference between the two.
Re: Concentration Camp Argument
For something like 65 or 70 years, these camps were almost universally referred to as interment camps. What happened over the past few years that has made them concentration camps? Are internment camps and concentration camps now considered to be the same thing? Not that I'd want to be uprooted and shipped to either place, but I've always considered a place like Manzanar to be a more benign option than a German concentration camp. I think there is a difference between the two.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:15 am to White Roach
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Are internment camps and concentration camps now considered to be the same thing?
Yes. They are. Though some of the nazi camps had other motives besides internment, but not all.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:16 am to White Roach
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What happened over the past few years that has made them concentration camps?
They've always been concentration camps.
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Not that I'd want to be uprooted and shipped to either place, but I've always considered a place like Manzanar to be a more benign option than a German concentration camp.
They're both evil.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:18 am to White Roach
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For something like 65 or 70 years, these camps were almost universally referred to as interment camps. What happened over the past few years that has made them concentration camps? Are internment camps and concentration camps now considered to be the same thing? Not that I'd want to be uprooted and shipped to either place, but I've always considered a place like Manzanar to be a more benign option than a German concentration camp. I think there is a difference between the two.
They're the same thing. Not even all of the Nazi concentration camps were the death camps that you're thinking of.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:18 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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This is honestly one of the worst things the US government has ever done and it is usually white washed in history classes as “a necessary evil”.
It wasn’t necessary. Just evil.
The Japanese Americans in Hawaii werent interned because there were too many for it to be practical. No sabotage, no espionage.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:21 am to GetCocky11
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A lot of PoliBoard posters would support this.
It wouldn't be any different from what FDR accomplished. You OK with that?
FDR has the worst civil rights record of any president in history.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It wouldn't be any different from what FDR accomplished. You OK with that?
I think the fact that I made this thread shows that I'm very much not ok with what FDR did.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:23 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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This is what Trump is doing with the queers. Thanks for the precedent FDR
Camps for queers? Zero of those exist.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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FDR has the worst civil rights record of any president in history.
I gotta go with Andrew Jackson.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:24 am to Jim Rockford
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The Japanese Americans in Hawaii werent interned because there were too many for it to be practical. No sabotage, no espionage.
The Aleuts were interned on a huge island with more than one brown bear per square mile. There's a graveyard in Funter Bay where they were held.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:25 am to GetCocky11
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I think the fact that I made this thread
My bad
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
This thread has been way more contentious than I anticipated.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:33 am to GetCocky11
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This thread has been way more contentious than I anticipated.
On the OT? Nooooo...
The best thing about social media is you find out there are people who absolutely believe some crazy things and will vehemently defend those positions. It's eye opening. I've learned a few things but also learned there are some crazy people out there.
Perople will trade freedom, particularly someone else's freedom, for virtually any silly rumor.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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On the OT? Nooooo...
The best thing about social media is you find out there are people who absolutely believe some crazy things and will vehemently defend those positions. It's eye opening. I've learned a few things but also learned there are some crazy people out there.
Perople will trade freedom, particularly someone else's freedom, for virtually any silly rumor.
Maybe people who think the internment was a good thing should go visit Manzanar in the middle of August or the middle of February just to get some kind of feeling for how it was for those people.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:49 am to Mo Jeaux
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They're the same thing.
Not even all of the Nazi concentration camps were the death camps you're thinking of.
Like the old saying goes, "They're the same, only different." The Prison Camp at Eglin AFB and the Supermax in Florence, CO are both federal prisons, but they provide entirely different inmate experiences. They aren't the same thing.
Nazi Labor Camps vs Death Camps
I'm well aware of the differences between the two. At a place like Auschwitz, the vast majority of prisoners were executed within a few hours of arrival. Inmates deemed suitable for work were kept alive until they were worked to death or died of disease. At a labor camps, of which most Nazi camps were, they just worked you as slave labor on minimal rations until you died. Which was "better" is hard to say.
None of that happened at the US interment camps. Yes, American citizens were rounded up against their will, shipped off to camps and held behind barb wire fences. But they weren't starved, they weren't used as slave labor in munition factories or mines and they weren't systematically slaughtered.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:50 am to Mo Jeaux
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bullshite. That’s what prompted your first post in this thread.
Jesus Christ. I give up.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:52 am to Mo Jeaux
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. Did I say that?
Well then you and I had a miscommunication somewhere, because it seems like you did.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:54 am to TexasTiger08
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Camps for queers? Zero of those exist.
Pretty sure conversion therapy camps are a real thing.
Not sponsored by the US Government though.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:57 am to White Roach
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Yes, American citizens were rounded up against their will, shipped off to camps and held behind barb wire fences.
Some of the nazi camps were the exact same thing
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