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re: Oklahoma bail bondsman (woman) shoots man in back, found not guilty of murder

Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:25 pm to
Posted by lake2280
Public intellectual
Member since Nov 2012
4474 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:25 pm to
Can you see him? Now I want you to picture that young man. Now imagine he’s black.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53610 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:33 pm to
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Uhh how was she found not guilty?


DA overcharged, first degree murder as opposed to manslaughter.

ETA: Beaten to it.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 11:35 pm
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
74135 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:43 pm to
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That is murder without a doubt...


How this is down voted is ridiculous.

It is murder. She set him up.. and shot him. This is so unnecessary. I don't care what she said she was doing. The guy, even despite his shock, still seemed calm enough in the video you could see. She just casually shot him too.. Fired right away. My goodness. You can't just take a life like that. She seems to have zero emotion as well.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 11:45 pm
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:47 pm to
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
74135 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:52 pm to
It was also ridiculous of her to plan to arrest this guy with her young scrawny son as well. At least he was emotional to her shooting him. The son was even like, "Mom..."

The guy she shot did everything to avoid even touching this woman.. He moved himself away from her. He didn't want to be arrested by her. And he immediately loses his life over that? That quickly.

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At the same time, Carey reached into her desk, grabbed her gun, turned and shot. Carey testified Williams attempted to grab her gun. She said she beat Williams to the gun and turned to fire just as he was going out the window.


This seems contradicting. Which is it.. He was fleeing to the window or heading to the desk.

And exactly how is he going for a gun that is inside a drawer.. I doubt seriously he even knows the gun is there.. Look how casual she goes to the gun and the way she just shoots it was so careless. They lock this man in a room, then attempt to arrest him and shoot him because he goes to the window with no where else to go.. Why couldn't she just call the police before she met with him? Regardless of her intent, she was so irresponsible here and needs to be accountable for taking a life so unnecessarily. She should be in prison.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 11:59 pm
Posted by MintBerry Crunch
Member since Nov 2010
6018 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 5:44 am to
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1st degree murder is premeditated murder. The prosecution over charged . I'm wondering if the prosecution did that on purpose.


Is it? I know it's Oklahoma, but Louisiana doesn't have a premeditated murder statute
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 5:53 am to
I love how everyone immediately decides she's guilty of murder without hearing any of the evidence presented to the jury.

That said, the video supports the idea that it wasn't premeditated and therefore the prosecutor overcharged. There is likely more to the story than this.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20557 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:29 am to
Thank God the dude wasn't black. All hell would be breaking loose right now.
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7236 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:31 am to
That was not murder. Had they included manslaughter she'd be in jail today. That said, it's not like she killed a productive citizen, so I'm not sad that he died.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:38 am to

Totally murder. She had no intention or reason to think she was in danger during the set up. He flees, she finds a weapon and shoots him in the back? She's a killer. Agreed.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
88346 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:39 am to
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it's not like she killed a productive citizen, so I'm not sad that he died.
you know this how?
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7236 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:44 am to
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you know this how?

Umm, he was a burglar. A criminal.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:46 am to

Damn. Bail allowed but you're ok with death. Wow.
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2012
6206 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:47 am to
Disagreeing with this women could be deadly
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7236 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:47 am to
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Damn. Bail allowed but you're ok with death. Wow.


I'm not saying he needed to be killed. He didn't. But he was a criminal so I'm not upset. I don't view it as a loss.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:51 am to
Which infraction do you draw your line of death at?
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 6:52 am
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7236 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:55 am to
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Which infraction do you draw your line of death at?

Don't be so dense. He didn't commit any crimes that I view as punishable by death. That said, it's hard to feel bad for someone like him.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:59 am to

So it's not crime you think is a big deal, it's life. That's backwards.
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7236 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 7:05 am to
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So it's not crime you think is a big deal, it's life. That's backwards

You're trying too hard
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 7:11 am to
I love how everyone is an expert on Oklahoma first degree murder and "premeditation."

First degree murder in Oklahoma is murder done with malice aforethought. It requires proof that someone made some prior deliberation to murder someone. It doesn't mean you have to stake out their house for weeks or anything, it could be as simple as setting them up and killing them when it goes south.
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