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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:49 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:49 pm to theunknownknight
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Aside from several assumptions in the quote above which concede you may be wrong, if people were to stop flying that WOULD change something we do. That would devastate our economy.
What I said in an earlier post is there is a difference between "terrorism" and "scaring the shite out of people"
"Terrorism" isn't terrorism without the victims or potential victims knowing who did it. Why? Because they have to know your POLITICAL AGENDA or aims. If they don't know who is doing it or for what reason, YES, they will be SCARED SHITLESS, but they won't be able to change the behavior that is upsetting your group, because THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT.
All caps is my emphasis.
ETA: And I didn't say this particular incident wasn't terrorism, but at some point, they either have to claim responsibility for this one, or a future incident, or you don't have a "terrorist" event by definition.
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 2:51 pm
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:49 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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This is Dr. Evil from Austin Powers from his secret volcano lair type stuff y'all are hypothesizing about.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:49 pm to TigerHam85
Kinda what i thought. Not sure ifit would register on a nearby buoy report
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:50 pm to Teauxler
So runway arguments now
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:51 pm to theunknownknight
I'm willing to bet that plane just kept cruising westward out to sea and went down. If they don't find debris, pieces will probably wash up on the coast eventually.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:51 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
To expand further, terrorist don't kill people to inflict fear. Fear is a byproduct of their agenda to rid the world of their enemies.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:51 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
What I said in an earlier post is there is a difference between "terrorism" and "scaring the shite out of people"
"Terrorism" isn't terrorism without the victims or potential victims knowing who did it. Why? Because they have to know your POLITICAL AGENDA or aims. If they don't know who is doing it or for what reason, YES, they will be SCARED SHITLESS, but they won't be able to change the behavior that is upsetting your group, because THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT.
All caps is my emphasis.
Please edit and insert CONVENTIONAL before every occurrence of the word terrorism in your post. Thanks.
All caps is my emphasis.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:52 pm to BeerCity
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I'm willing to bet that plane just kept cruising westward out to sea and went down. If they don't find debris, pieces will probably wash up on the coast eventually.
Most probably this is what happened.
Just think it is dumb that people are arguing like they really know anything one way or another.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:53 pm to BeerCity
quote:but why?
I'm willing to bet that plane just kept cruising westward out to sea and went down.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:54 pm to theunknownknight
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Please edit and insert CONVENTIONAL before every occurrence of the word terrorism in your post. Thanks.
All caps is my emphasis.
Conventional doesn't change the definition of "terrorism."
Terrorism - "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."
AGAIN, Yes, they could have taken this plane down, they could take 30 more planes down, but at SOME POINT, they HAVE to claim responsibility and claim their POLITICAL AIMS for it to be "terrorism."
Using the word "conventional" doesn't change the fact that at some point, WE, the general population, have to know the POLITICAL AIMS of the terrorists for it to be terrorism.
If you don't know the political aims, you can't change your behavior to match them. I don't get what is so hard to understand.
Without the above, all you have is mass murder, not "terrorism."
Putting "conventional" in front of terrorism doesn't change the definition of terrorism, you're just arguing about a different method (not claiming responsibility for the first attack) but at some point, a claim must be made or it isn't "terrorism" at all.
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:55 pm to Teauxler
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How big of a wave would be created from a 777 nosediving into the ocean ?
5-10 ft maybe higher...but i would think it would dissipate quickly
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:56 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Conventional doesn't change the definition of "terrorism."
Terrorism - "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."
You are giving me...
wait for it...
WAAAIIIT for it....
The CONVENTIONAL definition of terrorism.
Do you not think it is possible AT ALL there may be someone wanting to terrorize for reasons other than STRICTLY political?
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:56 pm to Pax Regis
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Nice thought. I had forgotten about all the old runways on little piece of shite islands out there. So good I almost want to switch to the "OFMG its the terrorists!!!!" camp. Almost.
Dirt strips for F4Us and B-25s aren't exactly up to snuff to land a triple 7 - I guess some B-29 runways might be acceptable - did we build very many of them in the Indian Ocean? Have they been maintained?
Isn't it a simple matter of digging up the (I HOLD A CLEARANCE SO I CANNOT SAY THE S-WORD) imagery on those and just eliminate that really quickly?
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:56 pm to theunknownknight
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Do you not think it is possible AT ALL there may be someone wanting to terrorize for reasons other than STRICTLY political?
NO, because then its fricking mass murder. Jesus.
SHould I put "CONVENTIONAL" in front of the word "sandwich," and then show you a picture of a pizza and say its a sandwich too?
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:57 pm to fightin tigers
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terrorist don't kill people to inflict fear. Fear is a byproduct of their agenda to rid the world of their enemies.
I don't think that's true. Fear is the weapon they use to rid the world of their enemies. OBL himself said the ultimate goal was to cripple the American economy from the inside, which he has done a pretty damn good job of so far as we spent and continue to spend trillions of dollars chasing him and his cronies around caves and groping old ladies.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:57 pm to Pax Regis
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Unless the plan hasn't fully developed yet to the point where anyone would announce their claim.
If this is terrorism, they didn't read the handbook very well.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:58 pm to Projectpat
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I don't think that's true. Fear is the weapon they use to rid the world of their enemies. OBL himself said the ultimate goal was to cripple the American economy from the inside, which he has done a pretty damn good job of so far as we spent and continue to spend trillions of dollars chasing him and his cronies around caves and groping old ladies.
Exactly. He focused on the World Trade Centers for a reason. They were symbolic of America's system and how much trust we put into it.
You remove trust and all bets are off.
Fear is the destroyer of trust.
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:59 pm to redstick13
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The open seas are another prime target. Way to get back at them for all the senseless drownings to mankind.
Clearly, if going on the theory of a hijacking, crashing in the sea would not have been the objective. I'm not sure if you say things like the quote above because you want us to assume you are too dense to get that, or if you are way too mad to post non-absurd absolutes. Either way, calm down, sparky.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If this is terrorism, they didn't read the handbook very well.
I mean, I am open for a terrorist group being the cause of this incident, and saving the method for a higher profile attack.
But anyone who says the group can go on indefinitely without claiming responsibility doesn't understand the word "terrorism."
At that point its just "murder"
Posted on 3/11/14 at 3:00 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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SHould I put "CONVENTIONAL" in front of the word "sandwich," and then show you a picture of a pizza and say its a sandwich too?
If the possibility of a NON-CONVENTIONAL sandwich is being debated...yes
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