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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:15 pm to The Mick
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:15 pm to The Mick
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Seems silly to try to predict the mindset of someone that would do something like this. You can't apply logic to someone clearly behaving illogically.
Agreed. Someone that's going to commit suicide and kill 200+ more people isn't a very logical person.
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:15 pm to EA6B
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Negative, this is why there is a 14 minute gap in shutting down the two systems.
Or the co-pilot could have disabled the ACARS signal? It still would have taken the same 14 minutes as they were both sitting in the same place.
Also...the transponder was shut off before the last communication with the ground was made. The pilot would have had to kill the co-pilot either before he shut it off, or just after. Which tells me you would have been able to hear a struggle over comms. When the hijackers took United 93, ATC heard screams and the sounds of a struggle coming from the cockpit as the pilots were being stabbed over and over again. The hijackers were both young and fit. This pilot was in his 50s and he would have had to have quickly and silently killed a co-pilot who was in his 20s.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:16 pm to Jizzamo311
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Exactly Doc. Why shut down all of the radio, elect., Etc. turn the plane around and fly for 7 hours? You just crash it, no need for all the other shite.
We are now trying to get inside the mind of someone who has decided to kill himself along with all the passengers. The man has lost it, so rational thinking probably is going to be hard to come by.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:17 pm to TheDoc
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Suicide I don't find hard to believe
Flying the plane for 7 hours and THEN crashing it.. I find that hard to believe
He kills everyone else, turns the plane on auto pilot and re routes it, then kills him self. The plane runs out of fuel and crashes.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:17 pm to The Mick
Two things:
1) I agree that pilot suicide is the most likely case at this point. There are certainly unanswered questions as to why fly for the extra 7 or so hours, but this theory requires the least amount of assumptions. Occam's Razor.
2) If the gold on board is true, and the plane did crash, I'm interested in who has the claims to the gold in the wreckage? Would maritime law apply to the plane wreck?
ETA: I don't recall a thread where "Occam's Razor" was used more than this one.
1) I agree that pilot suicide is the most likely case at this point. There are certainly unanswered questions as to why fly for the extra 7 or so hours, but this theory requires the least amount of assumptions. Occam's Razor.
2) If the gold on board is true, and the plane did crash, I'm interested in who has the claims to the gold in the wreckage? Would maritime law apply to the plane wreck?
ETA: I don't recall a thread where "Occam's Razor" was used more than this one.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:18 pm to RollTide1987
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This pilot was in his 50s and he would have had to have quickly and silently killed a co-pilot who was in his 20s.
Once up in the air clock his arse with fire extinguisher.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:20 pm to chalupa
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He kills everyone else, turns the plane on auto pilot and re routes it, then kills him self. The plane runs out of fuel and crashes.
I think your right
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:20 pm to chalupa
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Someone that's going to commit suicide and kill 200+ more people isn't a very logical person.
Uh...everything about this scheme screams logic. He logically turned the transponder off, he logically turned the comms system down below decks off, he logically and skillfully avoided being detected by radar as he did all of this.
Also...please keep in mind that had this thing crashed in the ocean or on land, the plane would have told Boeing that it was no longer alive.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:22 pm to TOKEN
Also, if it was suicide, I don't see how this is any different than a suicide bomber. If his suicide was politically motivated, I'm of the opinion that this is a terrorist act.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:22 pm to RollTide1987
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he logically and skillfully avoided being detected by radar as he did all of this.
Where are you getting this information? Malaysian military radar detected him.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:23 pm to TheDoc
Why? It just leaves more questions than answers. The plane is at the bottom of the ocean. The question is where and how deep. I predict very deep
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:25 pm to Jizzamo311
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Exactly Doc. Why shut down all of the radio, elect., Etc. turn the plane around and fly for 7 hours? You just crash it, no need for all the other shite.
Indecisive maybe, people that kill themselves probably sit around for hours with the gun in their hand before actually pulling the trigger. Might explain the zig-zag in the route, he was started to turn around, and changed his mind.
The plane is fly by wire and the software is designed to protect the plane. Perhaps instead of diving into the ocean, he depressurized the plane while climbing to 43000 feet, at that point he and everyone else is dead, the plane is on the verge of stalling, but the flight computers try to recover the airspeed putting the plan in a dive, and then revert back to a flight plane that was entered into the nav computer and fly alond until fuel is exhausted.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:25 pm to RollTide1987
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Also...please keep in mind that had this thing crashed in the ocean or on land, the plane would have told Boeing that it was no longer alive.
I'm not sure this is correct. I do not believe it has been explained why the engines stopped pinging around 8AM. I'd assume they stop pinging when they are turned off, but I doubt they can tell if it was turned off in a controlled manner or if it was a crash.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:25 pm to slackster
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Also, if it was suicide, I don't see how this is any different than a suicide bomber. If his suicide was politically motivated, I'm of the opinion that this is a terrorist act.
Nothing about this is just screaming terrorism IMO.
The pilot hat like over 16,000 hours logged and had been flying since early 80's.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:25 pm to RunningBlake
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The plane is at the bottom of the ocean.
Well you don't really know that at all..
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:26 pm to TOKEN
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Nothing about this is just screaming terrorism IMO.
Even when the uighurs took credit for it?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:28 pm to TheDoc
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Suicide I don't find hard to believe
Flying the plane for 7 hours and THEN crashing it.. I find that hard to believe
You're assuming that if it was suicide, he killed himself by crashing the plane. He could have depressurized the cabin and just drifted off to sleep and died from hypoxia like everyone else on board. The plane continued on its programmed flight path out over the middle Indian Ocean until it ran out of fuel and crashed.
That's as likely a scenario as anything else thrown out here over the last week.
...except aliens...
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:29 pm to RunningBlake
So the pilot just coincidentally has a full blown 777 simulator in his living room and is obviously a very skilled pilot. The flight he is piloting goes missing for 10 days after all of the Radio & Electronics were disabled and to some extent was able to avoid radar detection and you guys think all of this leads to his intention of a suicide and nothing more deliberate and planned out????? That just seems ridiculous to me.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:29 pm to Topwater Trout
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Malaysian military radar detected him.
Before disappearing completely over the Strait of Malacca.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:29 pm to TheDoc
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Well you or anyone else don't know that at all..
Nobody "knows" anything for sure.
I think it's about just narrowing this down to probability at this point. Also, I heard something interesting this morning, if the the plane was in air for 7 hours only the last 2 are recorded. The data loops over itself every 2 hours meaning we lost any hope of knowing what happened on the plane if it did crash.
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