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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:33 pm to
Posted by Golfer
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:33 pm to
Cliffs from today?
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:36 pm to
Plane still missing.

New track suggests a zig zag set of turns west of Malaysia with several 20k ft altitude adjustments
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 5:38 pm
Posted by tgrgrd00
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:38 pm to
I am thinking the altitude data is wrong. But.... I could see this being used to take out the passengers and crew. But that leads to the oxygen masks as others have mentioned.

I know nobody knows for sure but maybe the masks dropped but there wasn't any oxygen in the masks to the passengers/crew besides the pilot. I would think if there was significant planning as appears to be more and more likely that the oxygen tanks could have been emptied by someone complicent in the act.


Posted by BeerCity
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:40 pm to
Regardless there will be a movie made about this one in the near future.
Posted by 3HourTour
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:42 pm to
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Hmm... could you be more specific please?




Just frickin with ya
Posted by learnthehardway
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:44 pm to
Right on I'm pretty easily confused
Posted by cabinuga
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:45 pm to
So here’s what we’ve pieced together so far:

The plane took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12:41 AM local time

The plane climbed for some time and achieved a cruise altitude of 35,000 ft

At 1:07 AM, the data reporting system was turned off

At 1:21 AM, the transponder was turned off

At 1:23 AM, Malaysian ATC/Ho Chi Minh center lose contact with the plane and it apparently climbs to 45,000 feet. This is 2,000 feet above the service ceiling of the 777-200ER.

A turn towards the west is made and it descends to 23,000 feet and crosses back over the Malaysian peninsula near the island of Penang.

The plane begins to climb again and reaches a constant flight level of 29,500 ft.

The data indicate that the plane may have flown over the Indian Ocean for a period of 4-5 hours at 29,500 feet before crashing, landing, abducted by aliens, etc.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 5:46 pm
Posted by WestlakeTiger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:46 pm to
a plane that big + 40000 ft a min downpitch = flight control surfaces being ripped from the airframe. even if you tried to level out, you couldn't. structural strain means that plane comes apart at the seams.

if that is the case(probably not IMO) that plane is definitely in the ocean. period.
Posted by BeerCity
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:47 pm to
But huge chunks would be visible under that scenario. On satellite or visually.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:50 pm to
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Hmm... could you be more specific please?


I think he was referring to your asking for real logic.

Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:51 pm to
If map posted by Napoleon can be deemed legit ( info provided by Malaysia military) they are still looking in the wrong area for about the 3rd to 4th time
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:52 pm to
Back to the altitude data is wrong somewhere. They may have gone up to take everyone out. But the descent may not have been as severe as the data indicates. This would seems plausible.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 6:00 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:53 pm to
quote:

I know nobody knows for sure but maybe the masks dropped but there wasn't any oxygen in the masks to the passengers/crew besides the pilot. I would think if there was significant planning as appears to be more and more likely that the oxygen tanks could have been emptied by someone complicent in the act.


IIRC, the passenger oxygen lasts 12 minutes or so, enough to descend to a safe altitude. Plus you have to stay in your seat. The flight attendants have portable breathing gear that lasts longer, but that reduces the # of people a hijacker would have to deal with by more than 90%, and most or all of them would be females. The other question is whether the cabin crew has access to emergency communication devices or some sort.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:56 pm to
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Cliffs from today?



early.. China says seismic event recorded that could be a crashing plane. Backpedals


US says they believe that the plane did turn around and cross over Malaysia and skirt Thailand while heading towards Indian Island territory.

US now says it is not releasing any new information and that the investigation is being handled by Malaysia.

US moves assets to Indian ocean to focus search there.

Some say it is possible the plane landed somewhere.

Rolls Royce comes out with data, some of which is impossible. Later says data unreliable.
including data of a 40,000 foot descent in a minute.

Malaysia really has no answers.

TD speculates more....
thoughts are pilot involvement or hijacking.

nothing really happens.

a little info on avionics, and back up systems.

Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:59 pm to
apparently, US analysts are pretty heavily thinking this plane ditched in one of two areas of the Bay Of Bengal/ Indian Ocean. Just find it odd that someone would go to all that trouble to just end up crashing elsewhere.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:59 pm to
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But huge chunks would be visible under that scenario. On satellite or visually.


Yeah, you would probably have whole wings.

In the Air France scenario, much of the fuselage was intact with bodies still inside. It had just sunk, and the force of the impact kills everyone. But that was a stall right into water.



-----Side note. What if they had that foam in demolition man? In the event of an impact your entire body is encased in foam.
I wonder if something like that would ever be plausible?

Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 6:05 pm to
quote:

apparently, US analysts are pretty heavily thinking this plane ditched in one of two areas of the Bay Of Bengal/ Indian Ocean. Just find it odd that someone would go to all that trouble to just end up crashing elsewhere.


could have been an elaborate plot to remove someone from existence while keeping them alive.

Could have been supernatural.

Could have been a crazy pilot.

Could have been a hijacking gone wrong (Ethiopian Airlines)

My theory at first was that it blew up in mid-air, or was shot down.
New evidence that says it flew for hours later tells me it was deliberately flown.
So it's either a hijacking or a pilot gone crazy.
Can't wait to find the black boxes.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 6:06 pm to
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Right, so India would have at least intercepted it and we would know about that incident. So, we should assume it didn't fly near India's airspace...correct?
Like I said, Malaysia seems to have the most accurate records of its flight path(s), which indicates a distress of some kind, be it hijacking, crazy pilot, whatever.

Anything is possible. The multi-nation search is typical, if for no other reason than for rival nations to compete with each other in trying to find the jet. It's possible that Malaysia or someone else confronted the rogue jet, downed it, and now don't want to admit it.

The deviation of course seems like hijacking but the subsequent zig zagging is very peculiar, unless the hijackers couldn't decide where to land. Or, as some have speculated, the pilot went nuts. I don't see any other possibilities, especially given the lack of communications.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 6:10 pm to
The bad thing is that they still have a huge search area. I'm going with Bay of Bengal
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