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re: Off-duty cop shot and killed a non-verbal, intellectually disabled man in a Cali Costco

Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:11 pm to
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:11 pm to
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I’m not sure what legalities the cop would have broken if he was a citizen outside of probably being banned for life from Costco.


Right. Costco’s policy has no effect on criminal law.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:13 pm to
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I’m not sure why that matters.


Well if you shoot a person in a weapons free area, one of the first questions is why did you have a weapon in that area. Being an off duty officer explains that understandable question.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:14 pm to
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Well if you shoot a person in a weapons free area, one of the first questions is why did you have a weapon in that area


Private policy =\= law
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:14 pm to
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Right. Costco’s policy has no effect on criminal law.



The original part I quoted was baldona suggesting the off duty cop description was allowed by a hack editor.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:15 pm to
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Private policy =\= law


Try to keep up.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:15 pm to
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The original part I quoted was baldona suggesting the off duty cop description was allowed by a hack editor.


Don’t know Cali’s law on this but I doubt police officers are required to be armed when off-duty. If so, he’d still be in violation of the policy.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:18 pm to
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Don’t know Cali’s law on this but I doubt police officers are required to be armed when off-duty. If so, he’d still be in violation of the policy.



Authorized LEOs are allowed to have weapons in Costco. Not sure if an off duty cop qualifies.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:18 pm to
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The original part I quoted was baldona suggesting the off duty cop description was allowed by a hack editor.


Was there anything said about this in the articles? I may have missed it.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48294 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:19 pm to
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Authorized LEOs are allowed to have weapons in Costco. Not sure if an off duty cop qualifies.


And certain law enforcement officials (typically federal) are permitted by law to carry anywhere regardless if they’re on duty.

But I doubt that’s the law in Cali.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:21 pm to
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Was there anything said about this in the articles? I may have missed it.


Not sure, I just looked up Costco’s policy to be sure. I assumed most businesses in California would be weapon free zones, so an off duty officer having a weapon is relevant IMO.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
57444 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:42 pm to
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A large man grabbing and shaking a child


Shaking a child means a trained police officer should pull out a handgun and fire off a few rounds in the middle of a busy store? Are you serious?

I want you to explain to me why this is necessary for some retard shaking a child (if that’s even what happened)

I would love to see this thread play out if some guy named Deryk exercises his option to open carry and shot someone in a Costco
This post was edited on 6/17/19 at 8:48 pm
Posted by nes2010
Member since Jun 2014
6752 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:49 pm to
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I want you to explain to me why this is necessary for some retard shaking a child


Because shaking a child can cause brain damage or death. Did you really not know that?
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:52 pm to
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Because shaking a child can cause brain damage or death. Did you really not know that?


How old is the child that we are now running with has been “shaken?”

Please, please tell me a toddler being shook is worthy of a trained cop shooting off rounds in a Costco. Also provide me with a link that a child was shook
This post was edited on 6/17/19 at 8:55 pm
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83517 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:56 pm to
We don’t know all the facts, but considering the cop also shot the parents, it’s obvious he was a bit out of control. Necessary is quite a subjective term and impossible to answer without being there.

We don’t know what force or what position the child, the cop, or the son were using or in.

Let’s see some video or witness accounts before we yell for the cop’s head, shall we?

But if you can’t possibly think of any scenario where it’s ok to use deadly force in a store, then I don’t think you are likely to be reasonable about this.

Rage on.

Posted by LarryCLE
Member since Apr 2017
1545 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:57 pm to
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I want you to explain to me why this is necessary for some retard shaking a child (if that’s even what happened)

I doubt the cop knew the guy was a “retard”. If it turns out the victim started the whole thing by shaking, or grabbing, the cop’s kid I don’t have a problem with it. It’s a sad outcome, but if someone was attacking my child I’d shoot them too if I could. I wouldn’t take a time out to try to determine if the attacker was of sound mind.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:58 pm to
Saw a dude open carry into the Missoula, MT Costco today after reading this. He looked more like Randy Weaver than an off-duty cop, so i wasn't too worried.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20386 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:58 pm to
I’ve never been in Costco because I don’t have one close and I haven’t been in Sam’s for years, but there are everything from golf clubs, playground sets, tires, tools. Tvs, bleach, etc. I mean we could have anything from a fight over a 25 pack of snickers to a case of bleach being thrown off of trampoline.

I mean the assumptions here are wild.
This post was edited on 6/17/19 at 9:00 pm
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
57444 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 9:00 pm to
Not sure why you typed all that out instead of just saying I don’t know
Posted by nes2010
Member since Jun 2014
6752 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 9:00 pm to
I seriously doubt the kid was being shaken. They haven't said how old the child is. I'm waiting to see the rest of the info that comes out. But shaking a toddler violently should get you put down. Asking how that justifies a shooting is a bit ridiculous. But again. I doubt that is what happened. We will see I guess.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31437 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 9:01 pm to
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I don’t have a problem with it. 


What in the name of holy frick is wrong with you people. Do you really think that pulling a gun much less using it lethally in this situation was in any conceivable way justified? A cop should be trained to deal with this with his bare hands. Take the kid out of "harm's" way and be a fricking man instead of a coward with a gun. And if you aren't that skilled then use it non lethally.

Holy fricking hell you people worry me.
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