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re: NY Times reporter accuses white women of racism on city sidewalks

Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:11 am to
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:11 am to
No he's alluding to an opinion that suggests they feel subsciously entitled to public spaces.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:12 am to
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This is stupid, and I'd just tell him to stand his ground and not let them get their way if it bothers him that much.

But race issues don't exist petty gripes like this. Real actually life disparities and injustices is why racism still exists
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:15 am to
I figured it was a courtesy to concede space for women in general. A lot of times I'll just stop my forward progress and step aside allowing them to walk past. It's not a big deal.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Waltzing Between the Raindrops
Member since Oct 2007
24865 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:17 am to
He should tell fat black women to get the frick out of the way in the parking lot, grocery store aisle, lines at the bank, wherever they can hold up "traffic" they do.

Racists!
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:18 am to
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Kaczynski addresses Leftism as a movement (he states that he uses "the term 'leftism' because we don't know of any better words to designate the spectrum of related creeds that includes the feminist, gay rights, political correctness, etc., movements"[72]) and analyzes the psychology of leftists, arguing that they are "True Believers in the sense of Eric Hoffer"[73] who participate in powerful social movements to compensate for their insecurity and feelings of inferiority:

When someone interprets as derogatory almost anything that is said about him (or about groups with whom he identifies) we conclude that he has inferiority feelings or low self-esteem. This tendency is pronounced among minority rights advocates, whether or not they belong to the minority groups whose rights they defend. [However] the leftist is not typically the kind of person whose feelings of inferiority make him a braggart, an egotist, a bully, a self-promoter, a ruthless competitor. This kind of person has not wholly lost faith in himself. He has a deficit in his sense of power and self-worth, but he can still conceive of himself as having the capacity to be strong. But the leftist is too far gone for that. His feelings of inferiority are so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as individually strong and valuable. Hence the collectivism of the leftist. He can feel strong only as a member of a large organization or a mass movement with which he identifies himself.[74]



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Some leftists may seem to oppose technology, but they will oppose it only so long as they are outsiders and the technological system is controlled by non-leftists. If leftism ever becomes dominant in society, so that the technological system becomes a tool in the hands of leftists, they will enthusiastically use it and promote its growth. ... In the United States, a couple of decades ago when leftists were a minority in our universities, leftist professors were vigorous proponents of academic freedom, but today, in those of our universities where leftists have become dominant, they have shown themselves ready to take away from everyone else’s academic freedom. The same will happen with leftists and technology: They will use it to oppress everyone else if they ever get it under their own control.



This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 11:26 am
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:18 am to
Disparities and injustice lead to racism? Or should be the focal points for addressing racism?

I think actual racism is a minimal issue for everyday interactions of black people. The average person you meet, even the average a-hole you meet, is not racist. Of course, that doesn't mean that race doesn't factor into how we engage, but racial disparities causing differences in interaction doesn't equate to racism.

Institutionally, you can assert that racism is more present, in policing, in hiring, whatever. I think that is exaggerated and not the product of racism either (inherent belief in racial superiority), but I think the argument is better.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:28 am to
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I think actual racism is a minimal issue for everyday interactions of black people. The average person you meet, even the average a-hole you meet, is not racist. Of course, that doesn't mean that race doesn't factor into how we engage, but racial disparities causing differences in interaction doesn't equate to racism.


The disparities have roots in classism, sexism, racism, bigotry etc. add in some natural free market principles and then we have very intricate problem. Yes the average person isn't going to be racist, but our attitudes and opinions about groups of people different shapes the way we spend our money, interact with the law, and how we vote.

I do think, and we have seen, that explicit forms of racism still sadly exists and based off our history, it's just not plausible to continue to attribute them to incidental issues.

It may be more implicit nowadays but I think this can be even more damaging because it's hard to prove on an interpersonal basis but their are plenty of metrics to support it statistically. The implicit nature of it makes it hard to pinpoint what needs to be fought and address and how.

Plus it's also much easier to deny
Posted by jampat
Denham Springs, LA
Member since Jan 2007
11193 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:31 am to
Wait.. Since when did black people use sidewalks? They always walk in the damn road blocking cars. Must just be southern thing.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:50 am to
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The disparities have roots in classism, sexism, racism, bigotry etc. add in some natural free market principles and then we have very intricate problem. Yes the average person isn't going to be racist, but our attitudes and opinions about groups of people different shapes the way we spend our money, interact with the law, and how we vote.



Sure, and that's true on both sides. Race impacts interactions, voting, commercial choices, etc. But I don't think those things are by default, bad, do you?

The fact that black people went out in masse (well, women) to see Girls Trip, while white people went to see something else - Is that a bad thing?

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I do think, and we have seen, that explicit forms of racism still sadly exists and based off our history, it's just not plausible to continue to attribute them to incidental issues.



Sure. But, if I'm black, I'm not sure how distressing I find this. The idea being that while a threat to me, it's not a systemic one and it's a mindset that is pretty universally reviled.

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It may be more implicit nowadays but I think this can be even more damaging because it's hard to prove on an interpersonal basis but their are plenty of metrics to support it statistically. The implicit nature of it makes it hard to pinpoint what needs to be fought and address and how.



This is where we probably diverge. Latent or systemic "racism" is so broad that it can be abused as easily as it can be denied/ignored. Give me a couple of examples where metrics support the existence of implicit racism. I don't deny racism in that form exists, but I bet I'll question whether some of these metrics show racism, or just show racial disparity.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
22026 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:02 pm to
Wait.....blacks walk straight at whites and expect honky lips to get the eff out of the way. It's the troof!
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
43342 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:25 pm to
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My favorite frick you to the public that I began seeing in my undergrad days were black kids in the library singing out loud, playing music with no headphones on study floors and leaving behind McDonald's feasts on tables and desks.


Assuming you're talking about the Dupre' Library, that was my 2nd least favorite place to study, with the Union coming in at #1.
Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
11713 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:29 pm to
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our attitudes and opinions about groups of peopl


Articles like this aren't helping the group of people the author is representing
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
17102 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:47 pm to
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I'm going to need StorongSafety's take on this before I can comment. Someone let me know when he weighs in.


Well here he is, and I must say the response is surprising. Turns out he's a sexist pig with no manners.

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What a beta. Walk through them or force them to walk around you:


And I woulda expected much more chivalry from such a champion of civil rights and social justice.
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
11934 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:56 pm to
Maybe they assume you will act like a gentleman and yield the path.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
26334 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:15 pm to
Venezuela is falling apart, Turkey is continuing to feel the effects of the coup, polar ice caps are melting, Flint doesn't have drinkable water and this is what we are concerned about. 8 years of a black president and less people give a damn about interracial dating than ever but more people bitch more about race every day
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted by Broken Arrow
Member since Dec 2007
8494 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:35 pm to
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PearlJam


NO dice a-hole. learn to read. Also, your user name (because you are an idiot) makes me want to punch you in your puss. Pearl Jam is awesome where you; not so much.If you need further proof, look at your upvotes for that wonderful response. Now run along son, the adults are talking.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:38 pm to
For frick's sake.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 3:04 pm to
That article is the most amazing load of bullshite I've ever read
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
43342 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 3:06 pm to
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hat article is the most amazing load of bullshite I've ever read


Not to mention he's probably suffering from confirmation bias. He expects it so he sees it.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134318 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 3:11 pm to
Classic confirmation bias.

Also, isn't the famous trope that New Yorkers are rude af? Hell, viewed through THAT lens, the white women in question are the only ones in the goddamn city who treat the author like they do everyone else
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