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re: Now we have Narcan resistant Fentanyl

Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:07 am to
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:07 am to
Don’t say mcgruff didn’t warn our asses about smoking that weed in middle school. He said this would happen 20 yrs ago
Posted by tidalmouse
Whatsamotta U.
Member since Jan 2009
30706 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:18 am to
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The NBA and Disney will be releasing statements soon condemning this obvious slander of the great and just People's Republic of China.


We love everything about China.The NBA loves Fentanyl.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36799 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:23 am to
Everyone who says this was started by the pharma industry is being disingenuous. Yes, some people get prescribed/over prescribed opiates for pain and get addicted, and then follow the rabbit hole down.


The vast majority of them make a conscious choice to start doing heroin.

Narcan is a crutch that they count on to take away the consequences of their actions


I’ve known 2 people that died of OD’s, and neither of their stories started with any physical pain. One for sure started popping pills in high school for fun

I do feel bad for them that they lost whatever battle they’re fighting, but as a 10+ year smoker, I will know where to place the blame if I get lung cancer
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 7:25 am
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:26 am to
While you arent wrong, we do blame the cartels for their role in creating the supply and we should also blame the drug companies for role in creating the supply of OC, which kicked off this whole situation.

I just think the Purdue pharma people got off pretty much scott free and the rest of us / the country are still trying to wade through this mess
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 7:27 am
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36799 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:27 am to
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While you arent wrong, we do blame the cartels for their role in creating the supply and we should also blame the drug companies for role in creating the supply of OC, which kicked off this whole situation.




There is no supply without demand
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:28 am to
No doubt, but I personally feel they had malicious intent with their practices and profited as drug dealers and should have had to pay a whole lot more in fines / assistance to combat the current problems as a result.


ETA I'd also be fine with decriminalizing, and potentially even agreements to continue to prescribe addicts with the pills. I think it would help combat the negative impact on the surrounding community
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 7:32 am
Posted by SeafoodPlatter
Member since Jul 2012
859 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:39 am to
Doesn't really matter, as someone who's administered more narcan than can keep track of, keep ventilating that junkie till it wears off or the opioid antagonist takes effect, and said junkie will live to OD another day
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
103848 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:03 am to
Interesting it’s always a problem in rural areas of swing states in the Midwest and rust belt.

And why sell a drug that kills so easily unless your motive is to kill rather than make money on a recurring customer?

Unless it’s a plot to kill off people in republican areas of swing states.... which China has a reason to want Trump out of office...
Posted by seeinspots
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1101 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:07 am to
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That’s a stable well adjusted moral compass you have there.


That's the hard truth, buddy. Every bit of it.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 11:39 am
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:04 am to
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The opioid crisis went like this:

1
The pharmaceutical companies make painkillers. “Man how can we really drive up our sales?” Well what did they do? They, a company, went around to medical societies and paying the right people to start treating pain as the fourth vital sign. “How’s your pain? Oh... a 10?.... well..... I guess I’m supposed to throw some morphine at it per new mandates.”

It wasn’t just doctors acting on their own. Doctor reimbursement then started becoming incentivized by patient satisfaction scores. Have a patient in pain? I guess I can satisfy that with some opioids. I am actively being driven by incentives to make the patient happy at all costs, and new treatment guidelines.

Therefore long term prescriptions of painkillers sky rockets.

2
OxyContin gets invented. Longer lasting. Stronger. Purdue Pharma actively goes around to hospitals and doctors offices saying “HEY! We see what’s going on, you need happy patients, and your patients are in pain! OxyContin is the answer!”

Their share prices skyrocket

3
So now effectively you have a “quiet addiction” to painkillers that has been smoldering out of the limelight for DECADES. Your aunt has a painful shoulder? Some doctor gives her Pringle’s cans full of Percocet. Your neighbor is paraplegic and has strange neurological pains... but some doctor gives them opioids because they didn’t know what to do.

So now you have MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of pills out there.

You have millions of people taking chronic opioids. But ALSO Adults steal them from others. Kids get a hold of them. College students take them from their grandparents’ medicine cabinet.

4
And here’s the lighting of the match the blows the entire thing through the roof.

The CDC and medical societies and what have you uncover the real data. And actually start listening to doctor’s complaints and uneasy feelings about dishing this crap out.

What do we do as a country?

Severely limiting the access to pain killers. You can only prescribe 10 at a time. You can only get them from certain specialists. You can only get it for a one month period. HAve you tried Tylenol? Have you tried meditation? Acupuncture?

So now you have MILLIONS of ADDICTS - who never KNEW they were addicts. But suddenly you cut off their supply. Their pain maybe comes back? Who cares. Their reward center is TOTALLY fricked now. Their brain ONLY releases warm fuzzy chemicals that makes life tolerable when their mu-opioid receptor is having its skull bashed in with a sledgehammer.

Where can I find some narcotics?

I buy a handful of Percocet from my coworker I confided in. Then I buy a stolen bottle from a local drug dealer. But that runs out. Now I need more. Heroin? Really? Me? Are you sure I can be safe with it? I score a baggie from the same drug dealer.

Yes. That’s it. I feel fine now.

This is how it started. This is how it goes.

College kids. Regular junkies. Housewives. Grandfathers. Bartenders. Lawyers. Business executives. Nurses.

The inception of this whole epidemic is one of the most sinister things perpetrated upon us.

It is our crack epidemic.


Just want to say that this is a masterpiece of a post. Well done, sir!

That is it, and every detail of it. It is a disgusting addiction too. You don't just "get off of opioids". It has severely negative physical effects to stop taking them, and it's a motherfricker to get off of. But it is possible. Don't let anybody say anything differently.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
151554 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:25 am to
Nailed it
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
61000 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:26 am to
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A strain of fentanyl that’s resistant to Narcan has made its way to Western Pennsylvania. It’s hundreds of times more powerful than morphine and is already causing overdose deaths.


Mother of God!
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