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re: *Not a Licensed Surveyor
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:30 am to White Bear
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:30 am to White Bear
quote:
he barrier to entry is the other surveyor baws on the “board.”
Yep its a rigged game.
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:31 am to RougeDawg
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The hard part is the title work and interpreting historical intent of the boundaries. What do you do when you find four property corners at one spot placed over a hundred years? What do you do when a property is tied to a monument that is no longer there? What do you do when two property lines from different maps contradict each other?
"What do you do when a lawyer wrote the legal description instead of a surveyor and it makes no sense?" is the biggest issue in my neck of the woods
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:35 am to VolSquatch
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The barrier to entry is the other surveyor baws on the “board.”
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Yep its a rigged game.
The current law undermines individual autonomy and unnecessarily restricts access to services.
Requiring a license for certain services without considering the disclaimer of the provider is both unjust and illogical. By doing so, the state is effectively penalizing individuals who are transparent about their qualifications and expertise. It's akin to punishing honesty and eliminating the option for willing consumers.
The law fails to account for skills and knowledge that exist beyond traditional licensure frameworks. Many highly competent individuals may offer valuable services without holding a formal license. For example, life coaches who provide guidance and support without the need for official accreditation. Imposing licensing requirements in these scenarios not only stifles entrepreneurship but also limits consumer choice.
Instead of adopting a one-size-fits-all approach, policymakers should prioritize a more nuanced regulatory framework that balances consumer protection with individual freedom. This could involve implementing disclosure requirements, establishing voluntary certification programs, or promoting alternative dispute resolution mechanisms to address potential grievances.
The current law misses the mark by disregarding disclaimers and imposing unnecessary barriers to entry. Lawmakers should reconsider this legislation and pursue more equitable solutions that respect both the rights of providers and the needs of consumers.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:35 am to VolSquatch
quote:Dear God yes....it's astonishing how stupid they are and how little they actually check their work before filing. Once a week I see typos on bearings and/or distances from lawyers in legal descriptions.
"What do you do when a lawyer wrote the legal description instead of a surveyor and it makes no sense?" is the biggest issue in my neck of the woods
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:52 am to tigerpawl
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Many highly competent individuals may offer valuable services without holding a formal license
And those individuals should have to work for someone licensed and in responsible charge until they jump through the hoop that every other licensee has to jump through.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:54 am to CootDisCootDat
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And those individuals should have to work for someone licensed and in responsible charge until they jump through the hoop that every other licensee has to jump through.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:54 am to The Mick
In Georgia, they’re booked out and you can’t get one done in a timely manner. Wife (no pics) and her family have 120 acres for sale in south Fulton County and the earliest a licensed surveyor could schedule them was next year.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:00 am to Floyd Dawg
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earliest a licensed surveyor could schedule them was next year.
Ours is slow as Christmas on any deliverables but we can't afford to lose him because the market is so thin
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:06 am to tigerpawl
You can call yourself a surveyor on your resume and get a job surveying without a license. Construction companies do their own stakeout and surveying all the time. However, the person that sets and locates the nearest control points and puts them on a drawing better have a stamp issued by the state of Louisiana. It's all about liability.
This post was edited on 5/22/24 at 9:09 am
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:07 am to tigerpawl
Try to use it for a boundary survey for legal purposes and any however minor future dispute in court and you’re screwed. Use it for general layout planning purposes is fine, but I wouldn’t build a fence next to your neighbors using that data.
Your friend will need an EDM and RTK GPS, plus research the local court house for legal descriptions showing the witness marks and plats. If you simply want a pretty picture of your property, buy a Sat Image.
Having a RPLS license is not a scam. Have your friend describe his method in engineering terms and achieved accuracy in ppm. Licensed surveyors are no different than any other licensed P.E. and the requirements aren’t learned on the internet using a consumer grade GPS system.
Your friend will need an EDM and RTK GPS, plus research the local court house for legal descriptions showing the witness marks and plats. If you simply want a pretty picture of your property, buy a Sat Image.
Having a RPLS license is not a scam. Have your friend describe his method in engineering terms and achieved accuracy in ppm. Licensed surveyors are no different than any other licensed P.E. and the requirements aren’t learned on the internet using a consumer grade GPS system.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:07 am to RougeDawg
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He is basically selling you a pretty drawing. Depends on what you need to use it for, but it carries zero credibility for anyone who cares.
While true the licensed professional's credibility is only as legit as a jury defines it. It would be possible to litigate a mistake with the licensed individual or their employer but if a mistake is made most likely its going to be the property owner who suffers a loss. It may be possible for the property owner to be made whole but its as likely the surveyor or the surveying companies insurance will not make the property owner whole. Licensing is meaningless, all it ensures is there is less competition, it has nothing to do with competency other than providing consumers with the warm fuzzies. If anyone doubt this consider the same entity that licenses professionals also licenses drivers...
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:11 am to tigerpawl
I learned to survey in 1990 in the Army and I'm not doing that shite for anyone else because times have changed. This is an incredibly difficult job and it has to be right. While I can survey, if I ever need one I'm hiring an actual surveyor
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:15 am to Hangover Haven
Anytime, I am looking through a totalstation and someone poses in front of it like it's a camera, I tell them it doesn't measure ugly.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:15 am to Broke
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I learned to survey in 1990 in the Army
51T baw
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:18 am to AwgustaDawg
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Licensing is meaningless, all it ensures is there is less competition, it has nothing to do with competency other than providing consumers with the warm fuzzies. If anyone doubt this consider the same entity that licenses professionals also licenses drivers...
Totally and completely false.
Don’t believe me?
Survey your property yourself and try to register it at your local court house as a legal description.
Good luck.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:22 am to tigerpawl
quote:The state doesn't ban unlicensed survey work. It's just worthless.
The current law undermines individual autonomy and unnecessarily restricts access to services.
Requiring a license for certain services without considering the disclaimer of the provider is both unjust and illogical. By doing so, the state is effectively penalizing individuals who are transparent about their qualifications and expertise. It's akin to punishing honesty and eliminating the option for willing consumers.
The law fails to account for skills and knowledge that exist beyond traditional licensure frameworks. Many highly competent individuals may offer valuable services without holding a formal license. For example, life coaches who provide guidance and support without the need for official accreditation. Imposing licensing requirements in these scenarios not only stifles entrepreneurship but also limits consumer choice.
Instead of adopting a one-size-fits-all approach, policymakers should prioritize a more nuanced regulatory framework that balances consumer protection with individual freedom. This could involve implementing disclosure requirements, establishing voluntary certification programs, or promoting alternative dispute resolution mechanisms to address potential grievances.
The current law misses the mark by disregarding disclaimers and imposing unnecessary barriers to entry. Lawmakers should reconsider this legislation and pursue more equitable solutions that respect both the rights of providers and the needs of consumers.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:30 am to tigerpawl
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tigerpawl
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can he sell the resulting images and data to a willing landowner provided he clearly states that he is NOT a licensed surveyor?
You can sell anything to any willing idiot.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:33 am to CootKilla
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totalstation
With today’s technology. Who still uses total stations?
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:35 am to tigerpawl
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tigerpawl
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The current law undermines individual autonomy and unnecessarily restricts access to services.
I recommend you try and fight the law. That should be a lot less costly than hiring a licensed surveyor.
Also, when you, or one of your family members need surgery in the future, you should investigate getting it done by a "home surgeon" who has perfected his skills after watching Youtube instructional videos.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:40 am to tigerpawl
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If a person has the equipment and expertise to create a land survey but has not obtained a surveying license, can he sell the resulting images and data to a willing landowner provided he clearly states that he is NOT a licensed surveyor?
So trashy
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