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Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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but in hindsight it fits very well.
not much a free thinker in this thread, Rog
kinda disappointing
I feel like you are on the verge of agreeing with me to some extent, but you just can't allow yourself to do it
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:29 am to Salmon
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I feel like you are on the verge of agreeing with me to some extent,
I think you're just hung up on the idea that free will doesn't exist. You can't conceive anything beyond pre determined circumstance
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:30 am to Gray12
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Outliers are those who have been given opportunities – and who have had the strength and presence of mind to seize them.
This literally counters your point...
Decent book btw, great bathroom reader
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think you're just hung up on the idea that free will doesn't exist.
I'm more hung up on the idea of what drives our decisions
and every time I ask myself or others what drove us to decisions, it is ultimately things that we didn't have a choice in, whether it be out DNA, our environment, chance encounters, etc
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You can't conceive anything beyond pre determined circumstance
sure I can
if you haven't noticed, I have yet to call your point of view wrong or false or anything of the sort
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 11:32 am
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:31 am to Janky
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Looks like you boys are simply arguing in circles.
They won't even let someone else get in on the action.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:32 am to slackster
I'm pretty sure me and Rog have had this conversation multiple times now
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:33 am to IceTiger
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This literally counters your point..
Yep
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:33 am to Salmon
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and every time I ask myself or others what drove us to decisions, it is ultimately things that we didn't have a choice in, whether it be out DNA, our environment, chance encounters, etc
I tend to agree.
What determines how much we allow our very first circumstance or outside influence affect us? We've got to start from somewhere, but that source is out of our control.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:35 am to slackster
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but that source is out of our control.
Sure. But that source doesn't determine which directions we decide to go. Not always at least.
No one disputes we build on experience.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Sure. But that source doesn't determine which directions we decide to go. Not always at least.
No one disputes we build on experience.
right
everyone can go to a certain percentage, but people have a real hard time going all the way
I don't get it
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:36 am to slackster
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They won't even let someone else get in on the action
That is due to hyperfocustensionalism.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:38 am to Janky
this guy gets it
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:41 am to Salmon
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but people have a real hard time going all the way
Again, this depends on how you define success.
It's been theorized that most world changers were on the spectrum and able to see things in a very different perspective than anyone else
I don't always define success materially btw:
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Sure. But that source doesn't determine which directions we decide to go. Not always at least.
No one disputes we build on experience.
I'm a pretty firm believer that you don't just wake up one day and decide to change your life without some external factor(s) AND some internal factor that was always there. I also believe those internal factors are a product of our previous decisions/experiences, and those all started from a source we didn't control in the first place - whatever innate compass we had from the get go.
This is why I asked how you could even go about disproving determinism/fatalism/whateverism - those theories suggest every decision you make is determined by your previous decisions. That doesn't seem mutually exclusive to what you're suggesting.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It's been theorized that most world changers were on the spectrum and able to see things in a very different perspective than anyone else
Yeah. Probably. Makes sense.
Elon Musk would be a perfect example.
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I don't always define success materially btw:
I don't either.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 11:43 am
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:44 am to slackster
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I'm a pretty firm believer that you don't just wake up one day and decide to change your life without some external factor(s) AND some internal factor that was always there.
Probably splitting hairs but I've definitely seen and personally experienced it.
Determinism is pretty specific.
Also free will doesn't exclude past experience or starting point
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:45 am to Gray12
It's bullshite of course.
As someone said luck is opportunity meets preparation.
Sometimes opportunity is easier to come by for others some people have to prepare more to make something of an opportunity.
But it's up to the person to be ready for or create the opportunity.
Just as much as it's on the person to prepare.
So the balance is on the person. Even if coasting on a trust fund it's possible to lose it.
As someone said luck is opportunity meets preparation.
Sometimes opportunity is easier to come by for others some people have to prepare more to make something of an opportunity.
But it's up to the person to be ready for or create the opportunity.
Just as much as it's on the person to prepare.
So the balance is on the person. Even if coasting on a trust fund it's possible to lose it.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:48 am to ZappBrannigan
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Even if coasting on a trust fund it's possible to lose it.
It's true
The essential question is "where are you going from here?"
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:50 am to Salmon
I didn't say we shouldn't study it, I'm saying there's a solid biological argument why people tend to ignore/avoid/disagree with the arguments.
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