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re: Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark...
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:38 am to SallysHuman
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:38 am to SallysHuman
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I believe the Bible means what it says- I don't pick and choose, I believe the entirety of it.
I know it’s probably a protestant thing that’s taught in Sunday school, but i hate when people say “You can’t pick and choose.” But picking and choosing is exactly what people did to create the bible. The books that made it in were chosen and organized by committees of men. At my Catholic school we were taught about that and the teachers and priests seemed to be ok with the fact that some of it was “stories to teach a lesson.” I respect the beliefs of others, though.
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:38 am to SallysHuman
quote:But there are different ways to believe things. It's impossible to go the literal route on every issue.
I believe the Bible means what it says- I don't pick and choose, I believe the entirety of it.
Someone long, long, ago wrote about a flood narrative probably how he would have told the story to his grandchildren. I'm not saying that it isn't inspried by God, but you've got to take it for what it's worth. A story.
But a story that contains timeless truths. You can't be a biblicist by taking the entire OT literally. You have to learn how to read literature, and especially ancient literature, to correctly read the Old Testament.
There's so much more that goes into instead of a plain reading of the text. To think otherwise is to be totally ignorant.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well tell me how Noah got kangaroos on the ark and I'll listen.
Animals didn't have fear of man until after the flood.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:40 am to Lonnie Utah
Cracks me up that people think the ark was a real event
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:41 am to Rick9Plus
quote:I'm a protestant who realizes that "picking and choosing" what to believe is to miss the point entirely.
I know it’s probably a protestant thing that’s taught in Sunday school, but i hate when people say “You can’t pick and choose.”
It's all about determining what to take literally, poetically, allegorically, etc.
You can take very little of the OT literally and still have a robust faith in Christ.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:43 am to Lonnie Utah
The story of Noah's Ark is a parable and not factual. The idea that everything in the bible is meant to be factual, when much of it is obviously parables and instructional stories is ridiculous.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:45 am to SallysHuman
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Animals didn't have fear of man until after the flood.
a. What?
b. How does this answer my question? Fear of man or not, kangaroos would have all died out 5k years ago in the Biblical Flood. That's not enough time for them to re-evolve on an island.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:45 am to bayoubengals88
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Someone long, long, ago wrote about a flood narrative probably how he would have told the story to his grandchildren. I'm not saying that it isn't inspried by God, but you've got to take it for what it's worth. A story. But a story that contains timeless truths. You can't be a biblicist by taking the entire OT literally. You have to learn how to read literature, and especially ancient literature, to correctly read the Old Testament.
Noah is referenced as historical fact in the New Testament... in Matthew, Luke, Hebrews and first and second Peter. The Flood isn't just a one and done story only mentioned in the Old Testament.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The story of Noah's Ark is a parable and not factual. The idea that everything in the bible is meant to be factual, when much of it is obviously parables and instructional stories is ridiculous.
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You can take very little of the OT literally and still have a robust faith in Christ.
I think this is the divide and the NT was intentionally created to avoid the same parable issues. When Jesus used parables it was clear, but the "history" of Jesus didn't require them.
Now this speaks to the underlying gods being completely different, but that's another discussion
But yes, the OT was clearly written by cultures who understood parables in their great myths and religions, and modern Evangelical types trying to force literalism into that paradigm leads to absurdity. That's why they always have to, ultimately, fall back to the "well God is all powerful" response to explain the "how".
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:48 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:One of the greatest ironies in the world today is that fundamentalists read the bible as enlightened atheists. The only difference being, they say that they believe it
The story of Noah's Ark is a parable and not factual. The idea that everything in the bible is meant to be factual, when much of it is obviously parables and instructional stories is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 8:49 am
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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Animals didn't have fear of man until after the flood. a. What?
Genesis 9:2... post flood, fear of man is instilled into animals.
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Fear of man or not, kangaroos would have all died out 5k years ago in the Biblical Flood. That's not enough time for them to re-evolve on an island.
You'll have to ask God about kangaroos- that's above my pay grade.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:49 am to SallysHuman
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Noah is referenced as historical fact in the New Testament.
Jesus specifically spoke in parables. Jesus using Noah in this way just strengthens the argument that it was not, in fact, a "historical fact" in the NT
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:49 am to SallysHuman
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You'll have to ask God about kangaroos- that's above my pay grade.
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ultimately, fall back to the "well God is all powerful" response to explain the "how".
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:50 am to Rick9Plus
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I know it’s probably a protestant thing that’s taught in Sunday school, but i hate when people say “You can’t pick and choose.” But picking and choosing is exactly what people did to create the bible.
Protestants gloss over this, or are completely ignorant to it.
A bunch of men got into a room and decided what went into the Bible and what didn’t. They also decided how to interpret the Bible.
These men were Catholics. Every heresy today was addressed by the early church. There is nothing new under the sun.
Protestants had to change the Bible to justify not believing in purgatory. They, by the letter of the word, picked and chose.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:51 am to SallysHuman
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I believe the Bible means what it says- I don't pick and choose, I believe the entirety of it.
Doesn't each demoniation of faith basically pick and choose what parts of the Bible they want to believe?
I mean isn't that basically what happened when Martin Luther nailed his 95 thesis to the Church doors?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:51 am to SallysHuman
quote:Even if Noah was not a literal person, it would make no difference in how the NT authors use the story to say true things about Jesus Christ.
Noah is referenced as historical fact in the New Testament... in Matthew, Luke, Hebrews and first and second Peter. The Flood isn't just a one and done story only mentioned in the Old Testament.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well tell me how Noah got kangaroos on the ark and I'll listen.
Why would I think that Noah got kangaroos on a boat?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Jesus specifically spoke in parables. Jesus using Noah in this way just strengthens the argument that it was not, in fact, a "historical fact" in the NT
It wasn't just Jesus... but do go on.
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Several New Testament books include mentions of Noah:
Matthew 24:37-39: Jesus compares the days before the flood to the days before His return, emphasizing that people were oblivious to the coming judgment.
Luke 3:36, 17:26-27: Luke includes Noah in Jesus' genealogy and also references the flood narrative.
Hebrews 11:7: Noah is listed among the heroes of faith for his obedience in building the ark.
1 Peter 3:20 and 2 Peter 2:5: These verses mention the flood as a historical event and Noah's righteousness.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:52 am to Hateradedrink
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Every heresy today was addressed by the early church.
If people think shite is wild today they need to learn about all the different Christian sects that emerged in the Roman Empire.
Today is quite milquetoast compared to that crazy.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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ultimately, fall back to the "well God is all powerful" response to explain the "how".
That is known as "Faith". I am unashamed in my faith.
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