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Posted on 11/11/20 at 3:34 pm to whodat24
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Posted on 11/11/20 at 3:37 pm to whodat24
Oh look part 2 of people on a message board taking about an incredibly complex and nuance subject and regulating it to name calls 
Posted on 11/11/20 at 3:59 pm to tigergirl10
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As a woman who’s been pregnant, it is such a joy and gift to know/feel life growing from the moment I found out I was expecting my child. Nothing sweeter. I truly feel sorry for anyone who doesn’t choose life. It’s a beautiful thing.
Have you ever seen an addict with a child that treats them like chattel? The child is literally the only thing they "own" and they will do anything to keep it. The child's life would be unconstitutional for the government to impose under the 8A.
If 90% of the pro-life people were 1/10th as concerned about the children once they were born as they are in utero I would be more interested in the discussion.
To the OP:
I have personally never seen the need for a scientific discussion, it produces a moving goalpost situation and ultimately still relies on a philosophical based definition of life. The scientific definition of life is not like constants like Pi or C. For me it is purely philosophical which in the end I expect it is for 99% of people if they also see religion as philosophical.
I have heard and weighed hundreds of moral, philosophical, scientific, and religion-based arguments and none of them have swayed me from the first independent conclusion I made nearly 40 years ago. The only issue I have any flexibility on is timing. I am 100% OK with the legality of first-trimester elective abortions. Beyond that, I am in favor of much more regulation in terms of time and circumstance.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:01 pm to whodat24
The whole gist of this is that you cannot have the government deciding what a person will do with their body. True, if a person is incarcerated, the government gets to decide what happens to that person physically but if a pregnant woman has no cause to be a ward of the government, how can it tell her what to do with her body?
Should it go to men and arbitrarily enforce them to have vasectomies when it decides men have fathered enough children they either can or can't take care of?
Now, I do not think it is morally ok for pregnant women to kill their own children in the womb for the purpose of birth control (and neither do most pro-choice people) but I (and I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court) don't think there's a way the government can reasonably enforce such a thing as telling women they can't terminate a pregnancy without causing more harm.
It sucks but the law has to be concise and there is no way any law can be concise enough to disallow abortions without trampling on human rights.
Should it go to men and arbitrarily enforce them to have vasectomies when it decides men have fathered enough children they either can or can't take care of?
Now, I do not think it is morally ok for pregnant women to kill their own children in the womb for the purpose of birth control (and neither do most pro-choice people) but I (and I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court) don't think there's a way the government can reasonably enforce such a thing as telling women they can't terminate a pregnancy without causing more harm.
It sucks but the law has to be concise and there is no way any law can be concise enough to disallow abortions without trampling on human rights.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:12 pm to MarcusATLSU
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Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:22 pm to BaddestAndvari
Don't kill dem babies!!!!!!!!!
But once they're born let them starve cuz muh taxes too high!!!!!!!!!!
But once they're born let them starve cuz muh taxes too high!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:30 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Exactly “life is sacred” but only up until the unwanted baby is born, then it’s good luck Chuck.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:36 pm to sabes que
Also it’s funny because, because the Bible says “I knew you before you were in the womb” Christians are against abortion ( but really that should make them against birth control/contraception as well). If the Bible happened to have a verse saying “on the 90th day the soul enters the baby”, then people would be completely on board with abortion up until that point. But it’s ridiculous to use the Bible as any time of arbitrator in this discussion because the people who wrote it knew nothing of abortion or contraception because it was not invented yet.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:41 pm to sabes que
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Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:46 pm to sabes que
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Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:47 pm to whodat24
If someone is willing to have an abortion, that person is very unwilling/unable/unfit to be a parent, and our adoption system would be overwhelmed in a second if all the people who have abortions went that route. And no I’m not a proponent of open borders, but I don’t see what that has to do with abortion.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:52 pm to sabes que
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Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:57 pm to whodat24
I think that an elderly person, no matter how much of a drain, is a human being, with experiences and memories and people who love them. Though I do favor “euthanasia” if the person chooses life is too painful etc and they want to move on. But I consider them a person, a group of cells that will develop into a person one day is completely different in my eyes. I respect your opinion, and you articulate yours well, but I disagree on when a human being is a human being.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:58 pm to whodat24
Excellent post. I showed an abortion video for a class in college and it was surreal and very sobering. I had several people come up to me after who said after seeing it that they changed their stance on mass abortion.
Didn’t Scott Peterson get charged with double homicide for killing his pregnant wife?
Didn’t Scott Peterson get charged with double homicide for killing his pregnant wife?
Posted on 11/11/20 at 5:00 pm to sabes que
The Rabbi on tv says life doesn’t begin until the dog dies and the kids leave home.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 5:00 pm to whodat24
I think the difference may lie in that, I may not disagree that “life” begins at conception, but I do disagree that it is a human being at conception. Life could also be argued to begin with the sperm cells.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 5:05 pm to Hazelnut
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First, isn't thinking that the country should be governed a certain way basically what a political opinion is in any sense?
Yes, but who is to say who is right and who is wrong?
Like I said, no matter what anyone believes, the fact is, if abortions are illegal, people will still have them. Its the same reason I think most drugs should be legal. Since there will always be people who are going to be users, allow it to be sold legally. They will know exactly what they are buying and it takes a lot of demand off the streets.
In theory, that will reduce crime, but back to abortion. Either way, I am not a woman and think it is an issue that only women should decide on.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 5:08 pm to whodat24
quote:That was your last mistake.
I am making this post in response to the various threads
Posted on 11/11/20 at 5:20 pm to whodat24
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As well, this zygote is not just a clump of cells, it is a human organism : Science defines an organism as a complex structure of interdependent elements constituted to carry on the activities of life by separately-functioning but mutually dependent organs.
By your own definition, a zygote isn't an organism, as there aren't any "organs" morphologically present during the incipient stages of an embryo. The transition from cellular proliferation to the development of morphologically distinct organs doesn't occur until 20 to 60 days post fertilization.
If totipotency is your requirement for "life", then we can transplant a nucleus from any somatic cell in your body into an enucleated egg and achieve the same results. Keep in mind this occurs with the genetic material from just one parent.
It's not about the genes - it's about the transcription factors that are present to run the genetic algorithms on the code base.
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