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re: New York City is now calling on all residents to be neighborly and carry Narcan
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:36 pm to stout
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:36 pm to stout
quote:"There's no logical difference between being addicted to meth and drinking a beer." - lsupride87
With meth though people will do some despicable things to get that fix.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:37 pm to LSURussian
quote:No, that isn’t what I am implying.
"There's no logical difference between being addicted to meth and drinking a beer." - lsupride87
How about this
There isn’t anything different between being addicted to meth or coke and a raging alcoholic. Both of there people are lost and dependent on their drug and both are dangerous to those around them
Or
There isn’t anything different between drinking beer after work to enjoy a buzz or taking a bump to enjoy a high. Both of these people are making their own choices and still leading productive lives
You are the one with an extreme bias in your example acting like all illegal drug users are addicted while everyone who drinks alcohol does so responsibly.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:44 pm to lsupride87
quote:
There isn’t anything different between drinking beer after work to enjoy a buzz or taking a bump to enjoy a high. Both of these people are making their own choices and still leading productive lives
I guess this is accurate but only if you ignore that one is much more addicting than the other and also more lethal.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:46 pm to stout
quote:Which one are you referring to? Because:
I guess this is accurate but only if you ignore that one is much more addicting than the other and also more lethal.
Alcohol, the drug research has shown is one of the most addicting on the planet AS well as research has shown it is #1 for most harmful to those around you
There is no logical way to argue for the legality of alcohol while fighting for the illegality of some of the street drugs we have today besides saying “I am a hypocrite that refuses to acknowledge facts”
quote:So, shouldn’t you be more worried about others being harmful toward you instead of just themselves?
Researchers ranked the substances based on harm done to the patient and harm done to others, weighing factors like physical damage, psychological effects and societal damage.
Drugs like heroin, crack cocaine and methamphetamine were found to be the most harmful to the patients, while alcohol topped the list of drugs most harmful to others.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:51 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Which one are you referring to? Because:
Alcohol, the drug research has shown is one of the most addicting on the planet
Did you forget that just earlier in this thread you already conceded that alcohol is less addictive than street drugs?
ETA: I see you made an edit while I was posting
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:54 pm to stout
quote:Its less addictive than some street drugs, and more addictive than others, but extremely addictive nonetheless
Did you forget that just earlier in this thread you already conceded that alcohol is less addictive than street drugs?
It’s my entire point. It’s a moving target and complete mental and logical gymnastics to argue for the legality of alcohol and the illegality of others.
People just “feel” better about alcohol because it’s engrained more to society
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:59 pm to Funky Tide 8
quote:
We never will because humans are humans. We have been susceptible to vices since forever.
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I am talking about the reality of things. Don't do drugs programs don't work. The war on drugs does not work.
In other words "don't even try". The increase in that philosophy has been an even bigger failure than "Just Say No".
quote:
link?
I don't know how to hyperlink reality, so I'll have to just use a picture.
The quickly increasing amount of addicts living on the streets and under the overpasses in every major (and some mid-sized) city would very likely not be happening (or at least not happening as boldly and quickly) if drug abuse was still heavily ostracized.
While "Just Say No" and other such programs weren't all that good, at least they were something (and that's far more than we have now, especially the "no harm" approach). The current push to legalize has carried with it the implication that anyone should be able to do any drug anywhere and at any time without having to worry about consequences. What we're seeing is that a growing number of people simply cannot handle that sort of responsibility and their inability to do so drags society down.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:03 pm to Bard
There is no shortage of bums uner overpasses drunk off their arse either
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:04 pm to Bard
quote:
In other words "don't even try". The increase in that philosophy has been an even bigger failure than "Just Say No".
What we are trying does not work dude. That is the point. IT DOES NOT WORK.
quote:
The quickly increasing amount of addicts living on the streets and under the overpasses in every major (and some mid-sized) city would very likely not be happening (or at least not happening as boldly and quickly) if drug abuse was still heavily ostracized.
If there is any real proof of this, then by all means, link it up.
quote:
While "Just Say No" and other such programs weren't all that good, at least they were something
oh yeah, they were something. They didn't work at all, but at least they were sOmEtHiNg .
and for the record, D.A.R.E is still a thing. So are several other anti-drug programs.
quote:
The current push to legalize has carried with it the implication that anyone should be able to do any drug anywhere and at any time without having to worry about consequences
again, you are just kind of pulling this stuff out of your arse with no proof.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:10 pm to Pedro
quote:
from what i understand some were just straight up taking fentanyl. There were issues of some kids having laced drugs but alot were just straight up going for the real deal.
Daaammmmnn. Already on straight fentanyl in high school? That’s some Soft White Underbelly shite. Where is this school? Baltimore or Compton?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:11 pm to Bard
Which countries have never had an issue with junkies living in the street? They're out there but can anyone name them?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:11 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
Pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from my rear view mirror (apparently illegal in AZ)
Scum like you should be put under the jail
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:18 pm to LSURussian
when trying to argue with everyone all the time to prove your intelligence goes tooo far. 
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:26 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Kids watch their parents get drunk at lsu tailgates every year. And that’s not “dredge of society” people doing so
Some would beg to differ.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:47 pm to danilo
NO! Darwin's Law, cleansing the gene pool.
Besides, the Narcan is probably being shipped from China as well as the drugs.
Besides, the Narcan is probably being shipped from China as well as the drugs.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:20 pm to Bard
quote:
The quickly increasing amount of addicts living on the streets and under the overpasses in every major (and some mid-sized) city would very likely not be happening (or at least not happening as boldly and quickly) if drug abuse was still heavily ostracized.
MOAR ENFORCEMENT, THAT'LL FIX IT
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:42 pm to lsupride87
quote:I don't know how old you are but people my age were inundated with massive doses of propaganda in the 80's. It's hard for a lot of people to let go after being exposed to so much of it as if it were a fact that prohibition the only solution, or even a solution at all.
My biggest gripe is the public supporting the government and praising them actually for the “fight on drugs”
We saw what prohibition did. It didn’t stop drinking of alcohol, it just created a black market which causes crime, murders, and unintended deaths due to the deregulation of the product being sold
We literally got to see it play out already, and yet people still demand MORE of it today
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:50 am to chrome_daddy
quote:
You think the govt can manage legalizing and controlling distribution of drugs like coke, heroin to the point there's no black market? And therefore no fentanyl?
No one wants fentanyl other than maybe the absolute bottom feeders. . It’s just easier to smuggle and a higher margin product.
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